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Confirmation please..Rosa Moyesii?

Silver surferSilver surfer Posts: 4,719
edited July 2023 in Plants
I know nothing about Roses.
I suspect this is Rosa Moyesii.
I would be grateful for those in the know to help.
Is it enough to id it from just leaves and green hips?

Perthshire. SCOTLAND .

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  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    It certainly looks like mine, but then I am no Rose expert.
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

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  • NollieNollie Posts: 7,529
    edited July 2023
    The hip size and shape look right - they should turn a bright orange/red. The number of leaflets (up to 11) is also correct although mine are less glaucous and slightly smoother than those in you photo. I have Moyesii Geranium, a seedling. There are various..

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  • Silver surferSilver surfer Posts: 4,719
    Thank you punkdoc and Nollie.
    I saw them in a garden I visited on Wednesday, so no chance to see what colour the hips go.
    It was in a very dark corner so leaf colour in my pic may be odd.
    I just try very hard to add accurate names to my plant pics.
    Perthshire. SCOTLAND .
  • BenCottoBenCotto Posts: 4,718
    I have sometimes wondered if this rose, planted 30 years ago, might be Rosa Moyesii.

    However as it is not that similar to Silver Surfer’s I would be very keen to hear suggestions of what its name might be.

    Thanks.

























    Unfortunately I do not have any photos of the fully developed hips.
    Rutland, England
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    Silver Surfer..

    Well it's a moyesii, yes, but which one is another matter.. there are several in commerce.. the one usually seen is moyesii 'Geranium'.. there is another, arguably better called 'Highdownensis'.. besides moyesii itself, which is usually known as Rosa moyesii 'Fargesii'..     I've only grown 'Geranium'..

    If you are ever able to get photos of the canes, prickles and a whole bush picture, that would help... also would need photos of the flowers too really.  Too late for this year..

    moyesii 'Fargesii' has up to 13 leaflets, and I notice in your picture that one stem has 13..  so it may be that.. the hips are also hispid as in your photo, whereas with Geranium and Highdownensis they are not quite so bristly, but Geranium has larger hips..
    I wouldn't like to be sure which you've got there at this stage..

    Ben Cotto
    No, that's not a moyesii.. the foliage is too large and rather normal looking... what I think you have is a hybrid Gallica called 'Scarlet Fire'.. it's a hybrid as one of the parents is a hybrid tea, not a gallica..  it grows very large, arching, with bright red 5 petalled flowers and large hips that are pear shaped [think comice pear].. they also have a persistent calyx, such as you are seeing...  the wood is brown which I can also see in one of your photos with bright red thorns.. 

    I'm a little puzzled by the photo next to last as the foliage looks different to the rest of your rose.. without seeing any more of it, it looks more like a sucker but photos can be deceptive.. 

    East Anglia, England
  • Silver surferSilver surfer Posts: 4,719
    Marlorena said:
    Silver Surfer..

    Well it's a moyesii, yes, but which one is another matter.. there are several in commerce.. the one usually seen is moyesii 'Geranium'.. there is another, arguably better called 'Highdownensis'.. besides moyesii itself, which is usually known as Rosa moyesii 'Fargesii'..     I've only grown 'Geranium'..

    If you are ever able to get photos of the canes, prickles and a whole bush picture, that would help... also would need photos of the flowers too really.  Too late for this year..

    moyesii 'Fargesii' has up to 13 leaflets, and I notice in your picture that one stem has 13..  so it may be that.. the hips are also hispid as in your photo, whereas with Geranium and Highdownensis they are not quite so bristly, but Geranium has larger hips..
    I wouldn't like to be sure which you've got there at this stage..


    Perfect.
    Thank you so much Marlene for you detailed answer.

    The very private garden it was in was amazing.
    So much to see...so little time.
    No time to take masses of pics of any one plant, much as I wanted to.
    Sadly I don't think it will be possible to ever revisit.
    The owners are very private.
    I still have no idea how the group got permission to look round it in the first place.
    Perthshire. SCOTLAND .
  • BenCottoBenCotto Posts: 4,718
    That is so helpful. Thank you @Marlorena.
    Rutland, England
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