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Two to ID - one looks a bit sad

Stephanie newish gardenerStephanie newish gardener Posts: 516
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Hello
Two more to ID please... 
This one looks like it's got something wrong with it, and there are two others the same in a different bed, but they just look like they need more rain...



And then there's this lovely thing, the one with the darker pink flowers. It has flopped from the middle so I'm wondering if it needs staking. Also wondering if it will self-seed a bit freely....



No longer newish but can't think of a new name so will remain forever newish.  B) 

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  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    The 2nd one needs water - it's very close to the fence which is often a very dry place.

    The 3rd pic looks like knautia  - and that's just how it grows.
    A house down the road has a huge sprawling mass of them - looks great!

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  • nutcutletnutcutlet Posts: 27,445
    The yellow one is a Ligularia, very thirsty plants, often seen at the edge of bog gardens


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  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    The Knautia  won’t seed around,  you have to make rooted plants from the main one. 
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • Stephanie newish gardenerStephanie newish gardener Posts: 516
    nutcutlet said:
    The yellow one is a Ligularia, very thirsty plants, often seen at the edge of bog gardens
    So they are all probably in the wrong place, especially this year. Once they've done flowering I'll look at the best time to move them somewhere more suitable. The two against the fence are also close to a conifer and a sycamore, which won't help their moisture levels.
    No longer newish but can't think of a new name so will remain forever newish.  B) 

  • Stephanie newish gardenerStephanie newish gardener Posts: 516
    Pete.8 said:
    The 2nd one needs water - it's very close to the fence which is often a very dry place.

    The 3rd pic looks like knautia  - and that's just how it grows.
    A house down the road has a huge sprawling mass of them - looks great!
    The knautia (and I do hope it's pronounced naughtier :) ) is lovely, and the bees love it. It is a bit sprawly though, and smothering a few other things. I'll have a Google and probably divide in autumn and spread it about a bit. 
    No longer newish but can't think of a new name so will remain forever newish.  B) 

  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    Sorry to disagree with @Lyn, bur Knautia does spread by seed.
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  • Stephanie newish gardenerStephanie newish gardener Posts: 516
    edited July 2023
    punkdoc said:
    Sorry to disagree with @Lyn, bur Knautia does spread by seed.
    Just been reading up on it and it says to propagate by seed or soft cuttings in spring, so I guess it might well self-seed. And there was I thinking it looked like it might divide ok. That's probably because it has flopped apart in the middle. I'd be happy with more of it though - it's such a fabulous colour, especially against the paler pink little rose next to it. Need to get rid of the couch grass though.......
    No longer newish but can't think of a new name so will remain forever newish.  B) 

  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    Stephanie newish gardener said:
    The knautia (and I do hope it's pronounced naughtier  )
    It is :)



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  • Mrs-B3-Southampton,-HantsMrs-B3-Southampton,-Hants Posts: 732
    Knautica definately self-seeds cos it's growing between my patio slabs.
    Southampton 
  • Busy-LizzieBusy-Lizzie Posts: 24,043
    Mine self seeded but turned out pale pink.
    Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
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