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Plantsurge, what?

MikeOxgreenMikeOxgreen Posts: 812
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Apparently running water through a magnet gives much better plant growth. Looks like Snakeoil to me, have a read at www.plantsurge.com

Anyone any experience?
The most interesting thing is Dowding says he is trying it so i'll wait for his results later on in the year.
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  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    Interesting...
    Looking at the article cited by Plantsurge from which they have developed their system - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7196575/ I can find no indication anywhere of what the chemical characteristics of the 'tap water' they used are.

    Nowhere does it mention pH, Hardness, Chlorine content or Dissolved solids in the tap water they used...

    Nor do they mention what fertilizers they used.
    Giving a plant nothing but distilled water (magnetized or not) WILL kill it.

    Further, I can see no indication of what passing water over a magnet actually does to the water.

    Sounds like another drop of snakeoil to me..

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • Slow-wormSlow-worm Posts: 1,630
    Possibly.. but then again, there have been many observations on water with various mediums passed through, and the structure of the water molecules can alter dramatically. There is definitely a place for the subtleties of the molecular level and beyond. 
  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    Slow-worm said:
    Possibly.. but then again, there have been many observations on water with various mediums passed through, and the structure of the water molecules can alter dramatically. There is definitely a place for the subtleties of the molecular level and beyond. 

    Yes. An MRI scanner works in a similar way.
    An enormous super-cooled magnet causes the hydrogen atoms to align in the body according to the magnetic field, then radio pulses are applied and images taken as the hydrogen atoms return to their un-aligned state - I'm sure that's not a precise description, but it's along those lines.
    The main thing is though is that when the magnetic field is turned off the atoms (ions) would return to their previous unaligned state.

    So I suppose what I'd want to know is - what difference there is between a bottle of tap water and a bottle of tap water that has previously passed through a magnet?

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    I didn’t think they were encouraging watering with tap water in these days of droughts. 
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • JennyJJennyJ Posts: 10,576
    There was a section about MRI scanning in one of my Open University courses, but all I really remember is the tutor saying that it should really be NMRI (nuclear magnetic resonance imaging) because it uses changes in (I think) the spin state of the proton that is the nucleus of the hydrogen atom, but the "nuclear" part is usually dropped so as not to scare the patients.
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  • Slow-wormSlow-worm Posts: 1,630
    That's interesting @JennyJ! I feel a geeky google coming on. 😄

    @Pete.8 I assume that it would give the plants a boost, and that would 'override' the original state for more sustained long term growth. Like a body's 'muscle memory', if there even is a plant equivalent! 
  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    Slow-worm said:
    That's interesting @JennyJ! I feel a geeky google coming on. 😄

    @Pete.8 I assume that it would give the plants a boost, and that would 'override' the original state for more sustained long term growth. Like a body's 'muscle memory', if there even is a plant equivalent! 
    But what is the 'it' in water that has been through a magnetic field that gives the plant a boost.

    If you go down the google route you'll be drawn into the weird world of my pet favourite subject quantum theory where you'll soon learn that nothing actually exists at the fundamental level - everything in the cosmos is an interaction of fields.
    If you look inside a proton you'll find things like quarks and gluons - these are wave functions so there's nothing tangible there at the minutest (plank) level.
    Everything is an interaction between the quantum fields that are the cosmos - except gravity - and no one knows why yet.
    It's all so weird that no one 'understands' it nor can even conceptualise it.
    But I think it's utterly fascinating.

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • EmptyheadtimeEmptyheadtime Posts: 366
    edited May 2023
    My first reaction is snake oil.....however I have a family member who is doing a PhD on something to do with bees and flowers and how flowers have a magnetic field that is deactivated when bees visit so other bees know and go to another flower.....or something like that. So who knows. 
  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    edited May 2023
    But do the plants understand it? That's the main thing😉
    I googled it and it seems that the minute you turn the magnetic fluence off, everything goes back to normal. So even a magnetic hose wouldn't work 
    Oops I've discovered fluence has a scientific meaning too. I didn't mean that unless it sounded as if I knew what I was talking about.
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • JennyJJennyJ Posts: 10,576
    Plats have been growing perfectly well with water just as it falls from the sky for millennia so I can't see that it would make much of a difference, if any.
    Doncaster, South Yorkshire. Soil type: sandy, well-drained
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