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Why is my Wisteria not flowering / not coming back?

Hi there, 
I have 3 wisteria trees. 
Two small ones, about 4 foot tall, bought a few years go, which came back every year and flowered beautifully for the first time last year. 
And another tree, much taller, probablty abiout 7 feet, last year, I was told at the garden centre it was old enough to flower, but which unfotunatly didnt flower last year. 

Of the two little trees that normally come back every year and bloomed last year by 26 April, one has not come back at all yet (Not even one leaf) and the other is only yjust starting to come back (a few green leaves appearing), This is strange because it's so much later than last year and also all the wisteria I see around my area is in fullbloom. And why is one of them so much behind the other? Is it even alive still? How can you even tell if it died when someonething is decidious? And why wouold something so sturdy die? I am aware that they are in pots and should ideally be in the ground - or at the very least in much bigger pots - however I rent and the landlord is quote against having wisteria near the house as the roots can grow so big and potentially affect the house foundations. Could this be the reason they're slower? Shall I get them a massive pot each? I think I have something approproate in the shed? 

And the tall one, which I was assured would bloom last year is now lush with leaves, but again not even a sign of a bud. Although I have just gone out and had a look and I saw somehting that could potentially be a bud. I will add it as a picture, do you think that's a bud????

Wisteria is one of my very favourites and i do want to understand it better and become better at looking after it. I didnt prune it in October, I am a bit of a beginner and dint really think it would make a difference, does it really make a difference? Could this be the reason why it's so late? 

Thanks for your help! 

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  • thevictorianthevictorian Posts: 1,279
    Hi, do you know the names of the wisteria, Chinese and Japanese flower at slightly different times and with different amounts of foliage. This could account for some of the difference. You also have what looks like my amethyst falls wisteria, an American wisteria, which flowers later and is only just beginning to grow. Many things seem behind this year but last year's dry weather doesn't make keeping plants in pots very easy and added to the cold winter, it's even more problematic. 
    Wisteria can be kept in pots and many people keep them as bonsai but it can take a lot of work.
  • Oh wow, I didnt even realise there are different types! I have NO idea what they are... Any idea how I could find out? And do you know if the spring / autumn pruning really makes a difference or is a "would be good if" type job? 
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  • Butterfly66Butterfly66 Posts: 970
    Pruning does make a difference as otherwise you tend to get more leafy growth rather than flowering. It also helps to keep them under control as a healthy wisteria will send stems several metres feet long every season  They are quite hungry plants so suspect they might be struggling in your pots, which do look quite small.

    I can’t advise on how to manage them successfully in pots longer term but as a minimum would guess you need larger pots and to use shrub/container compost not multi-purpose, feed them slow release feed annually/bi-annually ( as per manufacturers advice) plus refresh the top few inches of compost each year. 
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  • thevictorianthevictorian Posts: 1,279
    It's semi important which variety they are as some flower at a younger age (lots are grafted now so speed things up a lot), off the top of my head and I might have this the wrong way round but the Chinese wisteria flower first and begin flowering at an earlier age, whilst the Japanese wisteria have more impressive flowers but flower later and at a more mature age. You can tell on a untrained wisteria if it is chinese or japanese from the direction it spirals up supports but on the ones that have been tied in by human hands I don't think it's so easy (sinensis anticlockwise, floribunda clockwise). The American is slightly different again as it's flowers aren't anywhere near as showy, they flower later in the season and they stay smaller.

    Prunning does help but the plant needs to be mature enough to do so and it does depend on if it has had enough nutrients and water the year before as to how well it performs. My guess is that many are struggling after last year and it's only the really well established ones, with deep roots, that are putting on a good show at the moment.  
  • bcpathomebcpathome Posts: 1,313
    They look dormant to me ,but you need a much larger and deeper pot if you are hoping to keep them long term . Guessing that the stupid weather has much to do with it.Try getting larger and more sturdy pots and pot as@ thevictorian  suggests . It may help . Other than that I’m at a loss.
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    If you can't get them in the ground you need to quadruple the size of pot as they do like a deep root run.  In those teeny pots their roots will bake in summer, freeze in winter and be hungry and thirsty in the grorwing season so not happy.

    You need a good quality loam based compost such as a John Innes no 3 but any compost only has nutrients for 80 to 90 days so you also need to give it a slow release fertiliser such as blood, fish and bone evry spring and then a regular dose of liquid rose or tomato fertiliser when watering between April and end July.

    As stated, there are 2 types - one flowers beofr the leaves come and one does flowers and leaves at the same time.  Both will repeat flower hru the season if happy.

    Pruning twice a year is important too.  Have a look a this link: 
    https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/wisteria/pruning-guide 
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  • @alexemmersonuk wisterias need to be between 7 and 15 years old to flower.  That’s why, when buying wisteria, it’s advisable to buy one that is in flower from a nursery.  That way your’e guaranteed to have get flowers every year.  Are they in full sun? As has already been said they need far bigger pots or to ideally be put in the ground.  To tell if anything is alive or dead do the scrape test.  Using the blade from a pair of secateurs or scissors carefully scrape the bark of the stem.  If it’s green underneath it’s alive, if it’s brown it’s dead.
  • @rossdriscoll13 the two small ones are about 7 and flowered last year for the first time. This is why I was certain they would flower this year but they are not. One just has leaves, the other one seems dormant still. Very strange. The bigger one is showing a few buds so I think we're in busness there! 
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  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Not strange at all.  They're under-potted and short of nutrients.

    I have self sown babies from my mature wisterias and they are flowering after just 3 years.  I'm planning to train them as standards, just for fun but they have set themselves up well in a sunny site in a flower bed which has had loads of mulching and feeding for a great permanent display of spring bulbs.  I had planned to add a central shrub to extend the interest but don't need to now.
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  • thevictorianthevictorian Posts: 1,279
    edited May 2023
    The ones that come on those little trellis are generally grafted so they flower after a year or two, if they aren't flowering when you buy them. Most wisteria I've seen for sale over the last ten years have been grafted.
    I think this is a lack of nutrition and an effect from last year's weather.

    If the two little ones are seven then they are seriously small. I planted one smaller than the one on the left and it covered an area around 6x4m in three years. That was the smaller American wisteria which is still vigorous but doesn't get anywhere near as big. 
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