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Helping non gardeners

Hi all, just interested really in how other members cope with helping friends and family who are non gardeners but ask for advice. I am always pleased when someone shows an interest and happy to give advice but sometimes it’s tricky, my sister, a lovely woman who I adore, has a small garden that she wants to “look nice”. She has no interest in gardening really and however many times I tell her “that plant won’t suit the spot you have “she persists in buying and planting them and then complains when they die. She has a gorgeous rose in a wooden planter but it’s inMPC because that’s cheaper and “it’s all soil isn’t it” she doesn’t feed it or water it enough and it is struggling. 
My middle daughter is similar, every year I did hanging baskets for all 3 of my girls and every year she neglects hers and it dies but she would be hurt if I didn’t give her one. I apologise to the plants I put in her basket and feel so bad I have stopped doing them this year for anyone. 
How does one offer constructive criticism without being critical? I know people think I am “obsessed “ with plants but my garden does pretty well. 
These are people I love I don’t want to fall out with them. 
How do others manage this situation? 
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  • bédébédé Posts: 3,095
    Tell them truth, firmly.

    And get reported for being "rude".
     location: Surrey Hills, England, ex-woodland acidic sand.
    "Have nothing in your garden that you don't know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    Not much you can do @debs64. Either don't give them plants or accept they'll die!
    If you adopt the former approach, and they ask why, you'd just have to bite the bullet and say they don't stay alive because you aren't listening to my advice.
    I'm glad mine aren't remotely interested!  :D
    Perhaps you could say you can't afford to keep giving them plants...
    I give plants to my sister, or other relations, now and again, but once they leave my property, I don't really care what they do with them. Same as houses/gardens - when you move, it's not yours any more so that's that. I'm not very sentimental about things though.  :)
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  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    Give them honest advice, in a kind and helpful manner … and then leave it up to them … they are adults and it’s their money. 

    If they say ‘it’s all soil isn’t it’ say ‘No, it isn’t and explain why, if they’re willing to listen. 

    And an idea … maybe next time one of them buys a rose and puts it in a container, perhaps you could buy a similar rose for yourself at the same time, and plant it and look after it properly yourself … and then, later on when hers is struggling, you can show her yours in full and glorious bloom and explain that’s the difference that doing things properly can make. 

    If she still doesn’t get it then she never will … some people don’t .., let her carry on her own sweet way … no need to fall out with her, but absolutely no need for you to feel guilty for not doing it all for her. 🤗 

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • Give them honest advice, in a kind and helpful manner … and then leave it up to them … they are adults and it’s their money. 



    This. 

    I know it can be frustrating to witness, especially if the person asks for advice, ignores it, and then complains about the results.  :D But the nature of advice is it's something we offer, and then the other person chooses to follow it or not. Otherwise it's not advice, it's a command. ;)
    Sussex coast
  • MikeOxgreenMikeOxgreen Posts: 812
    edited April 2023
    Try to think of something which you have little or no interest in, then try to imagine what it would be like if someone you knew bought you examples of it or wanted to talk about it all the time.

    Buy something different for your non-gardening daughter instead of wasting time and money on plants for her to kill.
  • thevictorianthevictorian Posts: 1,279
    I tend to advise first but then if the problem persists or it doesn't look good for the plant, I find the advice online and show them. Many people are more accepting of advice from strangers or official looking pages for some reason.
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    edited April 2023
    Time for a reality check @debs64

    Stop buying them plants - waste of time and money - and tell them that if they ask. better to give them nothing at all if you can't find an alternative gift they'll care about.

    If they do ask for advice just refuse and explain politely why - previous advice has been ignored and plants have struggled or died so no point giving any more advice which will go unheeded.

    Meanwhile, care for your own plants and garden and give a hanging basket to the two who do care in the hope that your results will one day light the bulb in the other pair's  brain and they get it.   Care for your family in other ways than giving plants doomed to wither. 
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    What I find really provoking is people who ask for advice, then go on to ask several people until they come across a person who advises them to do what they wanted to do in the first place.
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • ErgatesErgates Posts: 2,953
    What supposedly works best is advice offered in terms of ‘I have found....’ rather than ‘you should....’. 
    I wouldn’t give your sister any more plants, perhaps a cheap and simple gardening book instead, or as someone has suggested, forward any relevant articles or posts that you see. Up to her to follow the advice or not, and she can’t blame you!

    Re the hanging baskets, it seems a shame to deprive your other daughters of the pleasure of your efforts. Perhaps you can mentally treat the doomed basket as not unlike buying your daughter some cut flowers, enjoyed for a short time only. And maybe get your other daughters to forward some pictures of their thriving  baskets!
    Would a planted up pot be easier care for the neglectful daughter, with instructions to park it in the shade but exposed to the rain? Or maybe a tasteful dried flower arrangement for the house!
  • philippasmith2philippasmith2 Posts: 3,742
    B3 said:
    What I find really provoking is people who ask for advice, then go on to ask several people until they come across a person who advises them to do what they wanted to do in the first place.
    That made me smile @B3 Make your mind up first and then keep asking until the answer suits - sometimes aka a refendum  ;)
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