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Raised bed advice - depth & lining options

Hi. I would love advice from experienced veg growers if you can help.  I’m ordering 3 raised bed kits for my small garden, size 120cm x100cm each. I can’t decide whether to go for 27cm or 45cm depth.  I was thinking the latter will be more versatile and easier to tend, with the downside being the expense of filling them. Any advice much appreciated. I have only grown potatoes in my garden so far but wish to grow a variety of veg. 

Also, there is so much conflicting advice about lining them. Should I do this? The beds are attractive and should be good quality (safe pressure treated thick redwood) so I want to do all I can to preserve them as this is a pretty big purchase to me. 
 The beds will be set on my clay soil, in Scotland where it’s pretty wet. Thanks in advance! 
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  • Hi @suzquigley! Welcome to the forum. I have made raised beds to the height of a single scaffold board - so around 23cm - as it has access to open ground (also clay soil). No problems with this depth so far (also used for veg).

    I would definitely lined them. I used empty compost bags which I cut into strips around the height of the boards and stapled into place, the black side facing out rather than the decorated exterior. I left around an inch at the top so the plastic didn't go right to the top, and which will be the height the soil will sit at (although you will probably want to fill to the top as the soil will settle over the months). 

    Hope this helps, and happy planting!!!
    "If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need"
  • Hi @WildFlower_UK. Thanks for replying - info very useful.  I will go with liners and I already have a staple gun so that’s half the battle. I might just order the lower beds, or possibly 2 of one height and one of the other. I have a small garden and the beds will be prominent in it, so I am perhaps getting torn between thinking of functionality and aesthetics! Thanks again & happy gardening. 
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    edited April 2023
    I wouldn't sit them directly on the soil @suzquigley - a layer of concrete if you can, or failing that - a bit of plastic under the timber as well as lining it with that.

    It's never great putting timber directly on soil here - even good quality stuff   ;)

    Raised beds [especially low ones] are easy enough to make from good quality fencing timber - mine have always been done with that. Batten at each corner or those brackets you can buy in DIY stores.  :)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • I have found there is no need to line. I made beds out of treated (tanalised) scaffolding boards and they are fine 5 years later - no sign of decay evident. 45cm will be expensive to fill and not convinced you need it to grow whatever you have your eye on
  • Hi @Wolveryeti. Thanks for replying. That’s great you have no rot on your beds. What do you grow in yours, out of interest? 
    The kits I’m ordering are tantalized too. I’ve rechecked them and they are 38cm, but a couple of cm seems to be the top rim. 
    To fill them,  I have 2 full compost bins, and the soil in my current, rotted shallow beds to start them off and I am planning on ordering 2 builders bags of new soil.  I wonder if I’m still way off on my calc of what I need to fill them! 
  • Lol 😂 tantalized! I meant tanalised too! 
  • There’s a useful calculator here to help work out how much soil / compost you’ll need to fill the beds https://www.quickcrop.ie/soil-calculator
    If you choose the shallower 27cm beds it looks like you’d need about 1.3 tonnes to fill the 3 beds, so depending on how much old soil and compost you have to start them off you might get away with just one tonne bag. 
    If you go for the 45cm depth you’ll definitely need 2 tonnes.
    As mentioned above though, the soil will settle over time and they’ll need a good top up at a later stage
  • Jenny_AsterJenny_Aster Posts: 945
    edited April 2023
    I've just had a 2m x40cm x 24cm planter made. Though the wood is treated, I'll still be painting the inside again with wood preservative, adding lining while the treatment is still wet in the hope it makes a bond between wood and the polythene liner, using staples for added security.  

    Last Spring I removed some turf to make a flower bed, most of the turf has turned into compost, but there's a layer of matted roots that looks perfect for the base of the planter. I've also got bits of wood to lay at the bottom to help with drainage, as the wood decomposes I'm hoping it'll add to the nutrient content. 

    There's an area of our garden that was a flowerbed, with good topsoil and decomposing bark bits. It's going to be dug up to lay pavers. Some of the good soil from here will make another layer in the planter. 

    The rest is to be filled with home grown compost, decompressed coir bricks, worm casts (from my wormery), quite a bit of vermiculite (a big bag from Amazon is loads cheaper than smaller bags), and many handfuls of fish, blood and bone meal. 

    It's surprising when you look around what you can use to help fill your planter. You'll be helping to keep the garden tidy as well. 

    The basis of my 'recipe' may not be scientific, but as long as there're no contaminants used, and there's plenty of moisture retention and drainage, then I don't see any problem with it.
    Trying to be the person my dog thinks I am! 

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  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    You'll always need more than you think, because the soil mix will settle. It'll need topped up anyway - every year, but it would be normal to add more organic matter if you're growing veg, apart from things like carrots which like poorer conditions.
    I use old turf etc in my beds when making them, as @Jenny_Aster describes. Mine are mostly ornamental, and up to around 18 inches in height with varying widths/depths [ie front to back] because of the shape of the plot. The ones I did here [ten years ago] were mostly on compacted hardcore/gravel, because the whole back garden was paved/gravelled. The others had a base of plastic or concrete as they were directly on soil/cleared turf.

    I wouldn't be skimping on the prep, no matter what timber you're using. Don't underestimate how quickly timber can break down if put directly on clay, with the amount of wet there is, especially if you're in the west.  :)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • So lovely to get all this help from you guys! 
    Thanks @butlerjonny, that calculator is useful. My old beds were only 15cm high so it’s definitely going to be a lot more I need then.  
    @Jenny_Aster. I am going to paint my beds too, with Eco wood treatment. I like your idea of using up things in the garden to fill the bottom of the beds. I might put the old rotting timber from the old ones in the base of mine, and I will have turf sods too once I get around to edging my overgrown lawn! @Fairygirl. Thanks for tip about the prep. I think I will put a layer of sharp sand, then the weedproof membrane over the whole  area. I will then cut out squares in the middle of each bed to let the soils mix. I am going to treat the whole planters with the preservative, and then staple polythene sheets on the insides of the beds, extending down to the bottom and under the timber, to protect it from the clay soil. I will finish off the access paths with bark chips. Throwing everything at it really! I will take photos to show you how it goes.  
    I am ordering the 38cm high beds today.  Thanks for all the input on the depth.  It may be more than I need but I would rather go that way than risk getting the shallower ones  and then  wishing they were higher (not least for my back…lol).  
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