It looks very pretty and neat but as already said, it isn't really practical as it stands. The suggested 16" access paths are far too narrow to be workable. I too cannot read the tiny print but I assume it's more to give people an idea of the possibilities rather than A Garden For All as the title suggests. If you are already an experienced veg/fruit grower, you will have a pretty good idea what works for you and what doesn't in your specific location. If new to it, I'd suggest that the illustrated plan would be somewhat daunting and lead to disappointment - much better to start slowly and learn as you go along - much as you do with life really. Rather negative but with good reason
most vegetable garden plans in magazines, books and other paper media don't show all walkways or plant spacing to proportions. this a common problem that I have seen in my research on the subject. there over 400 vegetable planting diagrams in collection and all of them have these type problems with few exception. there is no standard format to for diagram of vegetable garden plans. that is one the things that will part of my vegetable garden planning book. every garden plan in book whether they are from 1930's or 1980's will be converted to format that takes into account all previous problems with other formats. it will make easier to compare and understand plans. that is why the challenge in this thread is so tough because there is no standard way to represent spacing, walkways and planting the planting fomat is garden plans https://forum.gardenersworld.com/discussion/1068707/a-friendly-vegetable-garden-competition-on-paper
there is also a math error in the original diagram if add up space between beds and bed with you will see it clearly the bed width from top bottom are 48in,20in and 9 beds 16 in. 10 walkways 16in wide. which is 372 in. 30 ft is only 360 in.
A plan for a garden is, in effect, a map and the only maps that work are drawn to scale with features showing as readble text or with a symbol with the key at the side.
Why on earth, if you are indeed writing the definitive vegetable garden guide, would you waste your time and ours with something that is barely readable, not to scale and doesn't show all the features any gardener, whatever their level of experience, would need to interpret and implement the plan?
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
BenCotto ,Dovefromabove Obelixx show me one plan in any book, magazine or other hard copy source that shows a plan. that shows what you claim is missing.that
show full spacing of each plant, and walkways in proper proportion in diagram.I think it is very unlikely you will find more than one or two. since that is not how drawing and diagrams are done when comes to sample plans.
I posted it because it look nice and for practical it quite practical and workable if you look at the diagram one his others books " the joy gardening." I also was trying make a point. which is everytime I have asked people to post diagram of there garden on this and other forums they seem to be incapable or doing so. without the faults you describe in diagram I posted. I start another thread that subject and will gladly await your responses.
I'm completely at a loss here. If you are now admitting that the plan you show has basic errors, why then promote it ? There is no "challenge" to the thread as you suggest. Or at least not as far as I can see. Perhaps better to wait until you publish your book rather than citing others.
I also was trying make a point. which is everytime I have asked people to post diagram of there garden on this and other forums they seem to be incapable or doing so. without the faults you describe in diagram I posted. I start another thread that subject and will gladly await your responses.
I'm not sure anyone here really has a clue what point you're trying to make with all these threads. Perhaps it's because most people just have a small-ish area they grow their veg in. The majority of gardeners in the UK don't really have several acres at their disposal, and even if they did, they aren't likely to be growing enough food to feed an army- apart from Monty Don maybe I suggest you'd be better finding a forum which deals with allotments and allotmenteers, if there is such a thing. That's more likely to have people who would use a definite 'plan'.
It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
@war garden 572 you have said you intend to write the definitive gardening book and have asked us to comment.
We have. It's up to you to accept the comments and improve your plans or leave them as they are unworkable.
Bear in mind that those of us who have commented are not beginners so won't be buying your book. We are not your supposed target audience but that doesn't negate any advice we have to offer based on our own experience and observations and that will be helpful to inexperienced gardeners.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
philippasmith2 it is not my plan and I am not promoting it comes from 11 book set of "the garden for all book of" series from dick raymond published between 1979-1984. I posted it because It looks nice and thought it might inspire people. As for the flaws they par for the course in most garden plan maps in books magazine and other sources. just look a monty dons and toby buckland garden plans published in "gardeners world" magazine you will see the same type flaws and lack of details in them that first diagram in this thread has. lack detail those type flaws can even be seen in the diagram for ww2 dig for victory leaflets in links below. https://archive.org/details/digforvictoryleaflets/leaflet 23/page/n1/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/digforvictoryleaflets/winter summer/page/n1/mode/2up
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I too cannot read the tiny print but I assume it's more to give people an idea of the possibilities rather than A Garden For All as the title suggests.
If you are already an experienced veg/fruit grower, you will have a pretty good idea what works for you and what doesn't in your specific location. If new to it, I'd suggest that the illustrated plan would be somewhat daunting and lead to disappointment - much better to start slowly and learn as you go along - much as you do with life really.
Rather negative but with good reason
most vegetable garden plans in magazines, books
and other paper media don't show all walkways or plant spacing
to proportions. this a common problem that I have seen in my
research on the subject. there over 400 vegetable planting diagrams
in collection and all of them have these type problems with few
exception. there is no standard format to for diagram of vegetable
garden plans. that is one the things that will part of my vegetable
garden planning book. every garden plan in book whether they are
from 1930's or 1980's will be converted to format that takes into account
all previous problems with other formats. it will make easier to compare
and understand plans.
that is why the challenge in this thread is so tough because
there is no standard way to represent spacing, walkways and
planting the planting fomat is garden plans
https://forum.gardenersworld.com/discussion/1068707/a-friendly-vegetable-garden-competition-on-paper
there is also a math error in the original diagram if add up
space between beds and bed with you will see it clearly
the bed width from top bottom are 48in,20in and 9 beds 16 in.
10 walkways 16in wide. which is 372 in. 30 ft is only 360 in.
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
Why on earth, if you are indeed writing the definitive vegetable garden guide, would you waste your time and ours with something that is barely readable, not to scale and doesn't show all the features any gardener, whatever their level of experience, would need to interpret and implement the plan?
any book, magazine or other hard copy source that
shows a plan. that shows what you claim is missing.that
proportion in diagram.I think it is very unlikely you will
find more than one or two. since that is not how drawing
and diagrams are done when comes to sample plans.
I posted it because it look nice and for practical it quite practical
and workable if you look at the diagram one his others books
" the joy gardening." I also was trying make a point. which is
everytime I have asked people to post diagram of there garden
on this and other forums they seem to be incapable or doing so.
without the faults you describe in diagram I posted. I start another
thread that subject and will gladly await your responses.
There is no "challenge" to the thread as you suggest. Or at least not as far as I can see.
Perhaps better to wait until you publish your book rather than citing others.
Perhaps it's because most people just have a small-ish area they grow their veg in. The majority of gardeners in the UK don't really have several acres at their disposal, and even if they did, they aren't likely to be growing enough food to feed an army- apart from Monty Don maybe
I suggest you'd be better finding a forum which deals with allotments and allotmenteers, if there is such a thing. That's more likely to have people who would use a definite 'plan'.
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
We have. It's up to you to accept the comments and improve your plans or leave them as they are unworkable.
Bear in mind that those of us who have commented are not beginners so won't be buying your book. We are not your supposed target audience but that doesn't negate any advice we have to offer based on our own experience and observations and that will be helpful to inexperienced gardeners.
it comes from 11 book set of "the garden for all book of" series
from dick raymond published between 1979-1984.
I posted it because It looks nice and thought it might
inspire people. As for the flaws they par for the course
in most garden plan maps in books magazine and other sources.
just look a monty dons and toby buckland garden plans published
in "gardeners world" magazine you will see the same type flaws and lack
of details in them that first diagram in this thread has.
lack detail those type flaws can even be seen in the diagram for ww2 dig for
victory leaflets in links below.
https://archive.org/details/digforvictoryleaflets/leaflet 23/page/n1/mode/2up
https://archive.org/details/digforvictoryleaflets/winter summer/page/n1/mode/2up