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Crataegus Pauls Scarlet (Hawthorn)

1945crewood1945crewood Posts: 170
edited November 2022 in Plants
I've tried to grow Pauls Scarlet Hawthorn from cuttings in the past but never had any success. I've found the variety as bare rooted plants online so I thought of giving them a try.

I've bought many different bare rooted hedging plants before, will the Pauls Scarlet be about the same as those? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
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  • fidgetbonesfidgetbones Posts: 17,618
    I think you have to ask the supplier how big it will be.  I am terrible for buying bargain shrubs that are 3 inches high when they arrive and take three years of potting on before they are big enough to go out.
  • 1945crewood1945crewood Posts: 170
    Thanks for the reply.

    Sorry, I should have said the bare rooted plants are listed as 60 to100cm. It was mainly if they'll look like 'whips', sort of tall and thin.

    Never been able to find the Pauls Scarlet at a small size before.
    Mother Nature don't straight lines, Broken moulds in a grand design, We look a mess but we're doing fine, We're card carrying lifelong members of the Union Of Different Kinds.
  • thevictorianthevictorian Posts: 1,279
    I would guess they would be field grown whips but you'd really need to contact the supplier to know for sure.
  • JennyJJennyJ Posts: 10,576
    If they're being sold relatively cheaply as hedging they'll probably be young whips. If you wanted a standard tree, you'd be able to train it yourself over the coming years. Which seller are you looking at?


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  • 1945crewood1945crewood Posts: 170
    thevictorian said:
    I would guess they would be field grown whips but you'd really need to contact the supplier to know for sure.
    I have asked but they're a bit slow with their replies unfortunately.
    Mother Nature don't straight lines, Broken moulds in a grand design, We look a mess but we're doing fine, We're card carrying lifelong members of the Union Of Different Kinds.
  • 1945crewood1945crewood Posts: 170
    edited November 2022
    JennyJ said:
    If they're being sold relatively cheaply as hedging they'll probably be young whips. If you wanted a standard tree, you'd be able to train it yourself over the coming years. Which seller are you looking at?


    J. Parkers, they've been pretty good in the past.
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  • JennyJJennyJ Posts: 10,576
    Ah, OK.
    Very much cheaper than more specialist tree/shrub nurseries, so I would assume young and untrained unless they confirm otherwise. Specialists who grow on and train trees often offer a range of sizes but you pay more for the extra time and work.

    I've never bought shrubs/trees from J Parkers. I've had no problem with bulbs from them but several incorrect varieties for bare-root perennials (which they refunded, but it's irritating).


    Doncaster, South Yorkshire. Soil type: sandy, well-drained
  • 1945crewood1945crewood Posts: 170
    Thanks for the help Jenny.
    Mother Nature don't straight lines, Broken moulds in a grand design, We look a mess but we're doing fine, We're card carrying lifelong members of the Union Of Different Kinds.
  • thevictorianthevictorian Posts: 1,279
    That's quite expensive for a whip, if that is what they are selling. I know they are expensive for lots of plants but at our local nursery they had 6-8ft + Frank p Mathews bare root pauls scarlet for £18 last year. I'm sure they will be far more expensive this year but you might be able to get a better deal elsewhere.

    It also states on the listing that max size is 2.4m but they grow into very large trees (8x8m or so) if they are left to do their own thing. I don't think they have dwarf rootstock for hawthorns but could be wrong, so it's something else to check if you wanted something smaller.
  • fidgetbonesfidgetbones Posts: 17,618
    Not sure what part of Derbyshire you are from, but Bluebell Nurseries and Arboretum  near to Ashby de la zouch is well worth a visit. You can pick your tree to suit.  Crimson cloud or Princess Sturdza look interesting.



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