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Plant recommendations for baking sun in summer and tons of rain in winter, on heavy clay soil

Hello,  

Does anyone have any suggestions for plants/bushes which can cope with baking summer conditions without needing much water, but will also be ok in the winter when the clay soil gets waterlogged? Plus beaten by storm winds on a hillside!  They won't be in standing water but the soil will be saturated. Thank you.
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  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    Sounds like quite harsh conditions.
    Having a look at what other people grow successfully in their gardens locally may give you some ideas.

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  • WoodgreenWoodgreen Posts: 1,273
    By sheer coincidence I was looking through back issues of the RHS  'The Garden' magazine yesterday evening and saw an article  about just such conditions, but not the storm exposure!  (August 2021.)
    Not an extensive list given, but they suggested
    Cornus alba 'Sibirica'
    Betula pendula subs pendula 'Youngii', a weeping birch
    Miscanthus sinensis 'Flamingo'
    Siberian Iris 'Shirley Pope'
    Persicaria affinis 'Darjeeling Red'

    I can recommend the last one as where I have it here it almost dries out in summer but is wet all winter. But not clay.

    I'm sure there'll be other suggestions from members with these conditions, but the cornus should withstand the wind I think, and the persicaria is a low, mat-forming ground cover.
  • There are various options but all would involve altering/improving your soil structure to a degree.
    Shrubs/perennials from warmer/sunnier climes would like the sun and could cope with less water but unless you provide adequate drainage, they will obviously suffer in waterlogged soil in the winter.
    Same applies to damp /shade loving plants - they won't be happy in dry soil in baking sun.
    Perhaps if you could give more info such as aspect , size of garden/planting area, any particular preferences, children/pets to allow for, interest in wildlife, how much maintenance you can cope with, etc it could enable posters to offer you more useful advice  :)
  • bédébédé Posts: 3,095
    Pass!
     location: Surrey Hills, England, ex-woodland acidic sand.
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  • LunarSeaLunarSea Posts: 1,923
    Woodgreen said:

    Persicaria affinis 'Darjeeling Red'

    I can recommend the last one as where I have it here it almost dries out in summer but is wet all winter. But not clay.


    I have it on clay and it is a real do'er. But mine is on the north side of the house so only gets the full sun from early afternoon, plus it's on a bank which tends to retain more moisture. We also have some at the front of the house (the south side) but it doesn't do as well.

    I'd try Rudbeckia Goldsturm if you like yellow flowers. It's pretty bomb proof and loves clay. And if it's happy it will certainly spread.
    Clay soil - Cheshire/Derbyshire border

    I play with plants and soil and sometimes it's successful

  • Your best bet would be to improve the soil first, if you can, by adding as much organic matter as possible. This could be leaf mould, wood or bark chippings, homemade compost or stable manure,well rotted and if available, with plenty of straw. My soil is mostly clay, choice of yellow or grey, but dumping the contents of the sheep shed on it
    each spring has transformed it into lovely rich, friable soil, the holy grail of moist but free draining. You may be able to source wood chip  or manure locally for little outlay, or even free, from tree surgeons or riding stables.
    It takes a few months to a year to be incorporated by worms and fungal action, but is worth doing, as you will then have the choice of a much wider range of plants with more chance of success :)
  • TopbirdTopbird Posts: 8,355
    edited November 2022
    My soil is heavy clay which gets wet, cold and sticky in winter and bakes hard in summer (I'm in an area where drought (and often heat) from April to September is the norm). I don't have to cope with severe wind/ storm conditions very often.

    You will do well to improve your soil with lots of organic matter at every opportunity, whatever you're planting - it will always help. Hardy geraniums (lots of different types) are a reliable 'doer' for me as are lots of other ground cover perennials such as pulmonaria, epimediums etc. Bulbs don't do very well - either the squirrels get them or quite a few rot in the wet ground - and alpines can only be grown in specially prepared raised beds or containers.

    Roses do very well once they've got their roots down and viburnums, amalanchier, cornus (esp Mid winter fire), winter honeysuckle and choisya thrive. Plants which shouldn't do well in our hot, very dry summers such as hostas and persicaria bisorta actually do fine so long as we have a wet autumn / winter. A drought of a year or more can see them off.

    In your position I'd consider planting some tough windbreaks (hazel and hawthorn thrive here) to offer some protection from the wind. Wind scorch can cause as much (if not more) damage than strong sun and drought.

    Good luck. You have a challenge on your hands - but stuff will grow. As Pete.8 suggested -it's worth seeing what is growing in other gardens nearby.
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  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    I agree with @Buttercupdays and @philippasmith2. Spend some time and effort in improving the soil and it'll pay dividends, and you'll have more variety to choose from in terms of plants.  :)
    That's what I do here, and always have done- in every garden I've had. All on clay, and with heavy/persistent rainfall, although we don't get the same amount of dry weather through summer, which helps.  I also use raised beds for plants in sunnier sites, and that also helps, as the rain is mitigated a good bit :)
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  • Sounds like my garden with wind alley but no hillside. I have
    - Rudbeckia Goldsturm
    - Verbascum
    - Delphinium 
    - Linaria Canon Went
    - Caryopteris 
    - Hebe
    - Hot Poker
    Good luck. 

    I my garden.

  • NollieNollie Posts: 7,529
    Creating hedge windbreaks and improving your soil as suggested will certainly reap rewards and allow you to plant a wider range of plants. Is there any opportunity to also improve drainage by creating raised beds, tiered planting or on slopes?

    I grow shrubs like cotoneaster, pyracantha, viburnum, abelia, chaenomeles, berberis, nandina and lots of roses and all do fine in my improved clay in baking hot summers, with often monsoon rainfall and frosty mountain winters in exposed positions. My climate is much hotter but by no means benign!

    Much of my planting is in raised beds - not only to improve drainage but because I have shallow clay soil on rock. I grow a wide range of perennials. Shrubby salvias are especially good and tough, but the improved conditions mean I can also grow lots of drought tolerant plants that like good drainage that wouldn’t otherwise survive. Everything I plant has to be hardy to -10c.
    Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
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