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Purple Shrub ID's

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Looking for purple shrubs for the garden, and saw these two locally.
This one always has this deep Burgundy colour. I think it has blossom in the Spring.

The one below looks almost the same colour as the one above in Spring, a deep burgundy, but at the moment it's very green looking. It has blossom in the Spring.

This one always has this deep Burgundy colour. I think it has blossom in the Spring.

The one below looks almost the same colour as the one above in Spring, a deep burgundy, but at the moment it's very green looking. It has blossom in the Spring.

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I don't see thorns in the picture but on the one I have in the garden here I would not be able to see the thorns from the distance the picture is taken either. I'm just guessing from the overall appearance of the leaves and branches which look similar to me.
Leaf-shape wise neither are saying to me loropetalum (smaller bush, more rounded leaves) or physocarpus (toothed leaves) or cotinus (also more rounded leaves) or lagerstroemia (my purple-leaved one has smaller leaves and reddish stems). There are some purple tinged weigelas and the second could be one, but that’s just a wild guess since I don’t have any.
Agree, closer photos would help with the first and an idea of blossom colour/form of both.