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Rudbeckia Gloriosa Daisy

rwickens20rwickens20 Posts: 10
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In my first year of gardening, I planted around 30 of these thinking they were perennial (half hardy apparently!) 

Does anybody know if they are likely to come back next year if left in the ground? I've looked around a lot on the internet and some people say perennial, and others annual. I'm in Manchester so not too warm over winter!
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  • rwickens20rwickens20 Posts: 10
    A guy down at the allotment assures me his come back each year!
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    The problem with Rudbeckias, in general, is that some are perennial and many aren't, so unless you know exactly what variety you have, it's often difficult to advise.
    However, Gloriosa Daisy and Black eyed Susan are just common names for R. hirta, which isn't usually regarded as perennial, although it can be a short lived perennial. You'd collect seed to ensure new plants. 
    If your chap at the allotment gets them returning, you may be lucky, but, like many plants of that type, it's wet, cold soil that usually sees them off, so the site will be a big factor.  :)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    Highly unlikely they will return, they don't in Sheffield, but that's fine, I grow different types each year.
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • rwickens20rwickens20 Posts: 10
    OK thank you for the information! I think I'll leave them in over the winter and see if any come back, but collect the seeds and get them going next year as well =) 
  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze Posts: 5,692
    @rwickens20 I am going to do exactly the same as youhere in Notts.
    I have worked as a Gardener for 24 years. My latest garden is a new build garden on heavy clay.
  • rwickens20rwickens20 Posts: 10
    edited August 2022
    They're amazing things. The tallest one is now 55" and seem to be growing still! So much for the 36" it says on the packet 

    A great way to spend £1!
  • februarysgirlfebruarysgirl Posts: 835
    I bought some Rudbeckia "Cherokee Sunset" plugs last year, some I put in raised beds and some I kept in pots. I was under the impression they were annuals so wasn't surprised when the raised beds showed no signs of life. Was surprised though when the ones in the pots showed new growth! They'd been in the mini pop up greenhouse for most of the winter but got turfed out when I needed the space so were subjected to several frosts.

    This is them now!


    They're much MUCH taller than I was lead to believe they'd be! I'll try protecting them over the winter but I'm not intending to keep them next year due to a planned change of colour scheme. Hopefully they'll survive and I can give them away 🤞
  • rwickens20rwickens20 Posts: 10
    Wow they look great!

    I haven't worked out how sellers come up with the sizes yet! I have some Echinacea Magnus for next year, and online says anything from 24" to 48"!? Same with the Helenium Moreheim Beauty 
  • februarysgirlfebruarysgirl Posts: 835
    They really are impressive looking. They've been flowering for a couple of months so far and I still haven't needed to deadhead. Unfortunately, a few days after taking that photo we had a 5 minute downpour and they're all over the shop now 😂 I've got Rudbeckia Enchanted Embers for next year which is much softer colouring. I have Moerheim Beauty as well (you can just see it in the background of that photo). I've got a circular support around it this year but  I just can't get it to stand straight!
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    The size of any plant shrub or tree is approximate, simply because there are lots of factors which affect it. Soil, location, and therefore temperatures, general climate, and amount of daylight hours. All of which determine length of season and suitability for growing   :)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
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