… and there’s no way anyone ‘helping’ you could have used the wrong one … I have known it to happen 😢
Those leaves do look as if they’ve either been affected by drought or some sort of damage ….
sometimes snails will climb and graze the surface of the stems of climbers, which can result in that sort of wilting. The damage to the surface of the stems is only visible if you look very closely …
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
You need to stop calling it manure as it leads people astray. Manure is animal poo. Once it's been processed properly it becomes compost.
I'd be interested to know the answer to this conundrum as it defies all logic and I don't think people are reading or believing your posts.
The only things that occur to me right now is:
Last years failure was slightly different to this years. Either in result or cause. Someone on the allotment is killing them. Or something. It's not a dog or something peeing on them is it?
Sorry I thought stable horse poo is called manure. As for my post being believed well I’m surprised you say that. Think I’ll close this post as it’s obviously annoying/upsetting/confusing people so please don’t respond
Sorry I thought stable horse poo is called manure. As for my post being believed well I’m surprised you say that. Think I’ll close this post as it’s obviously annoying/upsetting/confusing people so please don’t respond
@angiestoneage, please don't let unhelpful comments put you off, as you've seen 99% of the forum want to help. I wish I could add some useful advice but everything I can think of has been covered. If it's any consolation my runners have been poor this year, but I've put it down to the heatwave as they're now starting to crop better. The best thing I can suggest when you get posters who solely want to antagonise( generally most of the forum are friendly and helpful) is use the ignore button. Please keep posting, it's a great site.
@angiestoneage if I didn't believe your posts I wouldn't be responding.
Some folk think that their own experience is the only experience ... that is definitely not the case, especially in gardening and there is never ever a 'one answer fits all' with this sort of thing.
Composting is a process ... composted stable manure (i.e. stable manure that has been stacked and allowed to rot down) is just that ... composted stable manure so don't worry about calling it that.
Composted garden and household veg waste etc is 'garden compost' ... some of us add fresh stable/farm/chicken/pet rabbit and goat manure to our 'garden compost heaps' as it can be high in nitrogen and act as an activator.
Composted green waste from the Council is just that, Composted 'green waste' from the bins.
Sometimes we may go round in circles or even talk at cross-purposes ... but most folk on here are kindly folk who want to help ... we're also quite tenacious and terrier-like and don't like letting go of a problem until we've solved it. Sometimes the answer doesn't appear until next season, when something different happens and the previous problem doesn't appear and we all go 'Duh! ... so last year it was probably the **** that caused the problem!' ... ... but of course, another problem will occur ... that's gardening ... and that's why most of us enjoy sharing our knowledge and experience
PS I meant to say, are those courgette or squash leaves in the foreground of your picture? They look jolly healthy ... how are they doing?
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
It's manure before it's processed and can damage plants (you can Google this). You said it's well rotted and others are using it, so it throws that theory out the window. Unless it's not as well rotted as you think or others are using it differently to you? You need to be chatting with your fellow gardeners there to see if between you you can spot what you're doing different to them if they're successfully growing beans.
I'm not going to get into an argument about this ... I will just say, as someone who grew up on a farm and whose family are and have been farmers for centuries, manure is manure ... it is never compost ... 'well-rotted manure' could be described by some as 'composted manure' because that is the process it has been through ... but no farmer with a muck spreader full of well-rotted manure from a heap that's been heating up and rotting down for 6 months or more is going to say, "I'm off to spread compost on my fields" ... they'd be laughed out of the market ... manure and muck are muck and manure ... the manure sold at Garden Centres or online is always described as 'well rotted manure' whether it be farmyard/stable or whatever.
Google can tell you many things ... experience tells you which to believe 😉
Just as a crumpet or a teacake is never toast, even if it's been toasted ... toast is the word reserved for a slice of toasted bread.
Those courgettes do look good @angiestoneage ... do you know which variety they are? I'm growing 'All Green Bush' this year ... they're fruiting really well ( courgette soup tomorrow) but powdery mildew is appearing ... it is very dry here. I usually grow trailing varieties but I'm using up a lot of space with two lots of winter squash and we only have a small veg patch nowadays.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Of course well rotted manure and fresh are different things. You have to differentiate between the two, because if you put plants directly in fresh manure it will do no good, only damage.
Farmers have spread fresh or rotted manure on fields and it's actually damaging to the environment. It washes off with heavy rain and poisons streams and rivers.
That aside the way it works is it's only a light dressing and should be put on in Autumn. By the time Spring comes around nature has done the job of breaking it down and it's now compost. We're all learning all the time, farmers included.
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… and there’s no way anyone ‘helping’ you could have used the wrong one … I have known it to happen 😢
Those leaves do look as if they’ve either been affected by drought or some sort of damage ….
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
I'd be interested to know the answer to this conundrum as it defies all logic and I don't think people are reading or believing your posts.
The only things that occur to me right now is:
Last years failure was slightly different to this years. Either in result or cause.
Someone on the allotment is killing them.
Or something. It's not a dog or something peeing on them is it?
As for my post being believed well I’m surprised you say that. Think I’ll close this post as it’s obviously annoying/upsetting/confusing people so please don’t respond
The best thing I can suggest when you get posters who solely want to antagonise( generally most of the forum are friendly and helpful) is use the ignore button.
Please keep posting, it's a great site.
@angiestoneage if I didn't believe your posts I wouldn't be responding.
Some folk think that their own experience is the only experience ... that is definitely not the case, especially in gardening and there is never ever a 'one answer fits all' with this sort of thing.
Composting is a process ... composted stable manure (i.e. stable manure that has been stacked and allowed to rot down) is just that ... composted stable manure so don't worry about calling it that.
Composted garden and household veg waste etc is 'garden compost' ... some of us add fresh stable/farm/chicken/pet rabbit and goat manure to our 'garden compost heaps' as it can be high in nitrogen and act as an activator.
Composted green waste from the Council is just that, Composted 'green waste' from the bins.
Sometimes we may go round in circles or even talk at cross-purposes ... but most folk on here are kindly folk who want to help ... we're also quite tenacious and terrier-like and don't like letting go of a problem until we've solved it. Sometimes the answer doesn't appear until next season, when something different happens and the previous problem doesn't appear and we all go
'Duh! ... so last year it was probably the **** that caused the problem!' ...
... but of course, another problem will occur ... that's gardening ... and that's why most of us enjoy sharing our knowledge and experience
PS I meant to say, are those courgette or squash leaves in the foreground of your picture? They look jolly healthy ... how are they doing?
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
You need to be chatting with your fellow gardeners there to see if between you you can spot what you're doing different to them if they're successfully growing beans.
Google can tell you many things ... experience tells you which to believe 😉
Just as a crumpet or a teacake is never toast, even if it's been toasted ... toast is the word reserved for a slice of toasted bread.
Those courgettes do look good @angiestoneage ... do you know which variety they are? I'm growing 'All Green Bush' this year ... they're fruiting really well ( courgette soup tomorrow) but powdery mildew is appearing ... it is very dry here. I usually grow trailing varieties but I'm using up a lot of space with two lots of winter squash and we only have a small veg patch nowadays.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
You have to differentiate between the two, because if you put plants directly in fresh manure it will do no good, only damage.
Farmers have spread fresh or rotted manure on fields and it's actually damaging to the environment. It washes off with heavy rain and poisons streams and rivers.
That aside the way it works is it's only a light dressing and should be put on in Autumn. By the time Spring comes around nature has done the job of breaking it down and it's now compost.
We're all learning all the time, farmers included.