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Clematis Wilt?

We bought two different varieties of Clematis and they spent a few weeks sat in their pots before I had chance to plant them.

I've planted them and one doesn't seem to be going anywhere, the other is sending out new shoots and one climbed pretty vigourously but now I'm seeing darkening leaves and some dead ones in places.

Is this Clematis wilt? How do I recover from this?

As a novice all advice welcome.


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  • PalustrisPalustris Posts: 4,307
    Wilt is far less common than people think. Also, it starts at the bottom of a stem and works up.
    Not able to see what might be wrong here, but I would suspect a. lack of water, or, b damage to the stems from snails. They love to remove the bark form the base of the stems and then the stem droops from the top down.
  • Slow-wormSlow-worm Posts: 1,630
    If it's got decent growth up top, leave it.
    I thought mine had wilt, as that's all most websites will tell you, but it didn't feel quite right - after 2 years of chopping them back to ground level, I noticed some new front at the bottom - it turns out the stems and lower leaves were probably just affected by the cold winter wind.
    There are some hideously knowledgeable folks on this forum though, I'm no clematis expert! 😊
  • AnniDAnniD Posts: 12,585
    What size pots were they in when you bought them? You can buy clematis in very small pots and l'm wondering if the root systems are a bit overwhelmed by the big pot.
  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze Posts: 5,692
    @lloydkinsella If they are group three clematis they are unlikely to get wilt. Do you have the names of them?
    I think it is much more likely that they are short of water even if you feel you have given them gallons. High winds have also been a problem for young leaves and shoots. 
    I have worked as a Gardener for 24 years. My latest garden is a new build garden on heavy clay.
  • mikeymustardmikeymustard Posts: 495
    As others have said, it's almost certainly a lack of water or a surfeit of slugs (I was recently watching a mouse tearing into some stems on my patio - brutal!).
    I'd say you've planted them a wee bit close to that fence; while it might not be as drying as a wall with footings, it's still surprising how little moisture gets to the plant.
    There's also the possibility that the damage was already done while they sat in their pots waiting, or when they were planted - you did soak the root ball and splay out the bigger roots, didn't you? 
    They need loads of water in their first year of planting, you simply can't rely on rainfall to give them what they need
  • Interesting thanks for all the comments.

    We actually have 3 clematis though dont recall their names right now, they're all large variety.

    One is by a shed and had issues with slugs but since I pelleted the base seems to be doing well up a trellis and is mostly being left alone (leaves still being eaten but probably some kind of insect and not in great numbers).

    The other two are in the planters as seen. These planters are built into a gravel path by the fence, they do go deep only the top is boxed so they dont interface with the path. On the gravel side they do have access to soil under the path.

    The pots they came in were compact foot high/30cm wide ones.

    "you did soak the root ball and splay out the bigger roots, didn't you?" no I just put them straight into the ground :S

    I've put some pellets down at the base of these just in case its the slugs/snails so we'll see what happens there.

    It could be a watering issue, I water twice weekly using a medium sized watering can for them both (so 50% each). I can definately water more but I'm always worried of over-watering.


  • JennyJJennyJ Posts: 10,576
    Half a can each twice a week doen't sound like much to me, particularly in warm, dry, windy weather. And they are close to the fence so they'll be in rain shadow unless the wind is driving the rain in that direction. Unless the drainage is truly awful it's difficult to overwater plants in the ground.
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  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    The larger flowered types are the ones which get wilt - but that's not wilt.
    Sounds very like a shortage of moisture. If you only water new/young plants by that amount, they don't get their roots down properly, and it can do more harm than good. Clematis have deep root systems, and need room, and a good depth of soil to achieve that. It helps them in future - both for staying well enough hydrated, and for their general health and production of new growth.  :)
    Slugs/snails can easily damage growth too- as most of us who grow clematis know only too well!   That then causes stems to wither and die back. Even stems rubbing against supports in rough weather can cause damage. I get a lot of that through the growing season, so a double whammy.

    It could be a combination of both lack of water and molluscs. The joys of growing plants :)
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  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze Posts: 5,692
    @lloydkinsella Well worth knowing the names of your Clematis, it helps when you need to prune them.
    Viticellas which are group three are resitant  to wilt.

    Suprised that you have had to resort to slug pellets there are alot of pebbles. I would go out with a torch afterdark and hunt them out. Clematis like a deep cool root run, once  established over a few seasons they will flower well.

    I think GC's and nurseries should suggest to their customers, plunge your new plants in a bucket of water to cover the compost and leave a while before you plant.
    I have worked as a Gardener for 24 years. My latest garden is a new build garden on heavy clay.
  • OK I believe the two in question are Fireworks and Crystal Fountain, the stunted one is Fireworks and the one going dark is Crystal.

    The third we have is Nelly but that's fine.
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