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2 different types of brown spot?

In 2 separate areas of the garden, I have plants with brown spotting. I thought they were the same till I pulled a leaf from each to photograph.
the first is periwinkle and I’m pretty sure it’s https://pnwhandbooks.org/plantdisease/host-disease/vinca-spp-periwinkle-rust
It’s on the underside and doesn’t show much on the top


The second type is on weigela and shows on both sides and is a bit transparent around the brown spots

Any ID most welcome, thank you 😁
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