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Purple pond plants - help needed!

Pond plant experts! I have a small pond of around 8' x 4' and 2'6" deep in the widest part (for wildlife, not fish), built in 2020 (lockdown project!) but am struggling with the leaves of plants turning purple, so I think there might be a deficiency of some type in the water. I planted 2 water lilies in 2020 and last year their leaves came up purple, but I just thought I must have bought purple-leaved ones in the first place. I bought a new, bright green one as a nice contrast and added that, and it looked great to start with but by the end of the summer all it's leaves - both old and new - had turned purple too. Photo below from summer last year, showing the two original lilies at the front and the new one at the back (before it turned purple).



This spring all three water lilies (whose first leaves have recently reached the surface) are very purple, as was the marsh marigold (photo below) when it started growing (although that has now greened up a bit). Both my water forget-me-not and water mint also have purple-tinged leaves too. All have much smaller leaves than they should and just don't look healthy.



I live near Aviemore in the Highlands of Scotland so in pretty much the coldest part of the UK (UK H6 hardiness), so my other suspicion is the very cold water temperature? In February 2021 the ice on the pond was 7" thick! Nothing like that this past winter, but it will still be far colder over winter than most gardeners' ponds on average, and liable to get a thin layer of ice overnight anytime right through May (hasn't done this May though). But the water does get quite warm in the summer too so I suspect a deficiency in something in the water is much more likely.

The pH of the water is around 6.5 and our tap water comes straight off the hill so isn't treated in any way - but I only have to top up the pond very occasionally anyway so it is primarily rain water. I use a solar powered mini pump thing through the summer to keep a bit of water movement, so algae has not been a problem so far - the water is pretty clear.

Help! Any suggestions? Would be nice to have green waterlilies rather than purple ones - and for everything to look like it's thriving rather than just struggling on.
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  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    edited May 2022
    It's perfectly normal for the young growth to be that colour, so don't worry. They'll change as it warms up   :)
    Mine look exactly the same. That previous winter was colder than usual, although not totally out of the ordinary. It shouldn't affect them long term though. 

    How is Aviemore looking  today ? 
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • floraliesfloralies Posts: 2,718
    Mine are the same, they always start off that colour and then change, nothing to worry about.
  • RedwingRedwing Posts: 1,511
    Looks pretty normal to me.
    Based in Sussex, I garden to encourage as many birds to my garden as possible.
  • HenatronHenatron Posts: 37
    floralies said:
    Mine are the same, they always start off that colour and then change, nothing to worry about.
    The original two have been that colour all the time though, and this is their third year now - they seem to be getting worse with age. Plus the mint and marsh marigold are purple coloured too with much smaller leaves than they should have, so there's obviously some amiss  :(
  • HenatronHenatron Posts: 37
    Redwing said:
    Looks pretty normal to me.
    The green one in the first pic was just after it had been planted, but it's now purple-leaved and the leaves are half the size they should be - it looks very unhealthy compared to when I bought it. Frustrating to not know what's affecting it's growth!
  • HenatronHenatron Posts: 37
    Fairygirl said:
    It's perfectly normal for the young growth to be that colour, so don't worry. They'll change as it warms up   :)
    Mine look exactly the same. That previous winter was colder than usual, although not totally out of the ordinary. It shouldn't affect them long term though. 

    How is Aviemore looking  today ? 
    Aviemore is cold and windy! Well fed up of the constant wind this spring here...

    The original two lilies have remained purple the entire time (this is their 3rd year now), even when the water was fairly warm, so I don't think it's to do with the cold, although that's presumably not helping. The green one in the pic was planted mid-summer when the water wasn't cold, but had gone purple-ish by a few months later and this year is way worse, with pathetic tiny leaves (as is the mint, marigold etc). If it was a 'normal' plant I'd say a phosphorus deficiency, but I don't know too much about pond plants!
  • JellyfireJellyfire Posts: 1,139
    Red leaves on water lilies are generally when the water is either cold or too shallow for the lily. It will go green as the water warms up for summer, but if it doesn’t it’s probably too shallow. How deep is it? most of them like quite deep water, at least a foot and a half or so form the top of the pot to the surface.
    Some varieties start purple and turn green as they mature, but as yours was already green I’m guessing that doesn’t apply
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Do you feed your water lilies?   They are hungry plants so need lifting, in their baskets, every spring and feeding, whether or not they need potting on to a bigger pot or are ready to be split and re-potted.

    You can buy water lily fertilisers in tablet form that you just push into the compost in their pot.
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  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    @Henatron, I don't have my marsh marigolds in the water, they're in the damp soil beside the pond. It might be a bridge too far for those, although technically, you can have them in the shallows. They're possibly not happy because of that. Maybe worth moving those? If the mint isn't doing well though, it might be worth just taking it out altogether. The other plants on the right look fine, so I'm not sure it's anything to do with the water, as such, but it's hard to tell.
    I'd agree that the lilies might need feeding, and maybe aren't deep enough.
    Certainly, where you are, the season is much shorter again, and much colder, so it might be difficult for some plants to grow as readily and as healthily than most other parts. It might be that everything just won't thrive as well as it might.  Is the pond in the sunniest site you can have it? Those areas of the NE are the coldest anywhere in the UK, which makes it much harder for many plants in general.

    I was just saying to someone else yesterday who was commenting about the wind, that it's been much windier than usual for May. A bit like last year - April and May seem to have swapped their weather again. Hopefully it'll settle down a bit.  
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • JellyfireJellyfire Posts: 1,139
    edited May 2022
    Oh I hadn’t noticed your location, I’d agree with both the above, some feed for the lily wouldn’t do any harm, and the marigold should be ok to grow in water but really at least needs its crown to be at surface level so that might just be purple as it’s too deep. You could just pop a brick under it if you don’t want to move it. I think the Lily (if its deep enough) probably just needs the water to warm up more. The purple leaves on that won’t do it any harm though 
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