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Roses: Not the how but the why

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  • cooldoccooldoc Posts: 853

    An interesting talk by the former DA rosarian on replant and many more..


    A rose lover from West midlands
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    Marriott's view is at min 42 of the video. I would imagine that perspective is outdated, given that there is now scientific proof that it's pathogenic fungi that are the problem and root growth is affected by them.

    "I wonder how professional rose growers, DA for example, grow their roses. They must grow roses in the same spots after digging them up to sell as bare root. Yet they don't have a problem."

    David Austin hmself wrote that you should never plant a rose where another rose had been. But yes, it would be interesting to know how field rose growers deal with it - if they use chemical approaches. I think dismissing RRD as nonsense, as Marriott does in the vid, is not very helpful. Gardeners are worried about it, because you can lose years waiting for a rose to get healthy, if it's planted in the wrong spot (as I have).

    I currently have a rose in a small spot by my front door that I want to swap out, and the question is relevant for the new rose planted there. Before now I've dug out a wide and deep circle of soil around an ex-rose, added a lot of manure mulch, but it didn't seem to help at all. I kept the new rose in, and about four years later the rose is beginning to thrive.

  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    edited February 2022
    That makes total sense. I didn't know release they leased fields all over the place and moved about. A nine year rotation!

    Why would Marriott (who worked for DA) suggest that RRD is not a real thing?
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    I'm about to plant a rambler where a crab apple was. I wonder if that is wise.
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    Well I've watched that and I don't think he claimed it's  not a real thing, just that he doesn't concern himself too much with it..  good soil husbandry can alleviate most of the issues, which is what I think he practices..
    East Anglia, England
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    In the video above Marriott says

    “To me RRD is just a symptom of a completely worn out soil …. it hasn’t been mulched for 40 years, it’s been trampled to death… the soil is biologically dead ."

    Surely this is demonstrably wrong on any number of levels. There are any number of us who have dug out old soil from the site of an ex-rose, refilled the hole with good new medium and mulched heavily with manure, over decades, and found this didn't help. I can't see why the soil of a forty year old would be "biologically dead".

    If you put a barrier to old pathogens built in the soil, yes, it would help.
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