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  • AthelasAthelas Posts: 946
    edited February 2022
    Geranium ’Rozanne’ is hardy, but I think the photos you just posted are of pelargoniums, not hardy geraniums, trained on a support to create a pyramid shape

    Not sure about their care if they stay outside, as I think they’re meant to be overwintered indoors

    https://tipsvangeert.nl/planten/piramide-geranium/

    http://www.drentheflowers.nl/geranium-piramide


    Cambridgeshire, UK
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    Glad you got the pix to work!
    Not a geranium I have any experience of, @darrencnel, but yes- you can cut back, and then support them if that's what their habit is. What sort of height do they reach? 
    I wonder if they'd be better suited to a pot with no support - would they trail over/down instead? I've done that with sweet peas for example.

    Might be worth experimenting, because as @Plantminded said, you can easily divide geraniums.  :)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • pitter-patterpitter-patter Posts: 2,429
    edited February 2022
    @Athelas is right. What you have is an ivy leaf pelargonium, a tender perennial that should be overwintered indoors. It doesn’t look good, but if you want to give it a chance the best thing to do would be to trim the stems to a couple of inches, dig the plant, trim the roots so that they fit in a pot and keep it on a sunny windowsill, watering sparingly then the compost is dry. 

    Sometimes, pelargoniums do survive the winter outside. If you want to take the risk, just leave the plant as it is until late spring when it should reshoot from the ground. The chances for that are not good though. 

    Edit: Looking at the pictures again, I can see a few green stems which you could try to use for cuttings. 
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    I wondered if it was a pelargonium, but the little bits of green foliage didn't look quite right.
    I'm not used to any pelargonium surviving through autumn, never mind winter though. It must be very warm where you are  :)  

    I think @pitter-patter's right though - there could be good material there for cuttings. If it's definitely pelargonium, then it's best to leave that top growth for protection too, until it reshoots, or cut back and bring it inside to make sure. 
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • TopbirdTopbird Posts: 8,355
    It is confusing @darrencnel (and forgive me if you already know this!🤭) but there are 2 distinct groups of plants: hardy geraniums (common name - cranesbills) and pelargoniums (common name - geraniums or bedding geraniums🙄).

    Just to repeat what the others have already said: the Rozanne plants are tough-as-boots hardy geraniums which stay in the ground year round. You just need to cut back dead and untidy growth as you see fit to keep them tidy. They'll put on lots of new growth in a few weeks time.

    The pyramid plants are pelargoniums (aka bedding geraniums) and they are not particularly hardy in the UK. As we've had a mild winter you might get away with it but, generally speaking, you should take them out of the ground in the autumn and either bin them or pot them up and keep them in a frost free place (garage, shed etc). They'll take a degree or two of frost but not much more.

    It's certainly worth seeing if you can save yours or take cuttings but I wouldn't leave them in the soil in case we get a really cold snap which will kill them off.

    This confusion with hardy geraniums and bedding geraniums is one reason regular old posters always use the proper name of pelargonium for bedding geranium. It's not trying to be posh or snobby (as we've been accused in the past) it's to make it clear which plant we're referring to. 🙂
    Heaven is ... sitting in the garden with a G&T and a cat while watching the sun go down
  • pitter-patterpitter-patter Posts: 2,429
    edited February 2022
    I agree, @Fairygirl, it’s hard to tell from the pictures. 

    I overwinter a lot of pelargoniums in the house: large plants, cuttings and seedlings as well. I’ve never had ivy leaf pelargoniums surviving outside, but occasionally some woodier zonal/species  types do survive. And even if the top dies completely I’ve had some that reshoot from the root. I wouldn’t count on that @darrencnel, as the chances are very small. To be honest, I think it’s too late to do anything about them, but you have nothing to lose if you do try.
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    It's always a minefield re the pelargonium/hardy geranium thing @Topbird! ;)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • I have three Geranium plants in the house I grew from seed many years ago now. I use them as houseplants and they flower profusely all year round. I  chopped them right down  a couple of weeks ago and I can see fresh new growth already. I don't think they'd survive outside in the winter, though up here in the North.
    I always take cuttings of any plants I prune back, it's nice to give them to neighbours and friends.
  • didywdidyw Posts: 3,573
    Nothing more to add to the conversation as everyone has answered your query very fully - just want to say - nice pots on your windowsill!
    Gardening in East Suffolk on dry sandy soil.
  • PlantmindedPlantminded Posts: 3,580
    Excellent detection!  A lesson learned - ask for close up photos to confirm ID first👍!  Yes, that's definitely a pelargonium.  If it fails to survive, try dividing your Geranium Rozanne.  (The plants need to be well established, about three years old, to give you adequate divisions with sufficient vigour to flourish.)
    Wirral. Sandy, free draining soil.


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