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How far would you go to save the planet?

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  • raisingirlraisingirl Posts: 7,093
    Ours has been running for more than 10 years now (ground source)
    Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon

    “It's still magic even if you know how it's done.” 
  • Our air source pump was installed in winter 2019-20.  It's great.   :)
    Since 2019 I've lived in east Clare, in the west of Ireland.
  • Nanny BeachNanny Beach Posts: 8,719
    What are the cost of the running a heat pump system. Can I have a picture of the unit,is it inside or out?
  • Nanny BeachNanny Beach Posts: 8,719
    edited November 2021
    What has Greta done wrong!we produce a small amount of the planets 'green house gas compared to US,China, India,Russia,why is she not visiting those countries. She rants,swears, offering no practical solutions. We elected to use all of our savings to have solar energy. We elected Not to have a wood burner,but have an electric fakey. We elected to remove the gas from our kitchen and have an electric cooker and hob. We elected to keep the electric Emersionheater,and bathroom heater. At the moment until the solar panels are installed,we will be using the gas central heating, for a few months,in the coldest weather
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    Greta has done nothing wrong at all. The message is fine.
    UK - South Coast Retirement Campus (East)
  •  She rants,swears, offering no practical solutions. 
    Quite, in fact I don't why I busted a gut at Uni when all I had to do was listen to a totally unqualified privileged teenager with an anger management problem. 
  • Nanny BeachNanny Beach Posts: 8,719
    edited November 2021
    We are aware of 'the message'. I don't like Greta's choice of delivery. I don't need some self confessed mental ill child (as she was at 16) telling me what to do. I frankly cannot do any more. We had all our 25 year old DG replaced, appliances triple A rated. I bought hubby 3 jumpers in charity shops this week.
     Same as EI just get people's backs up by causing disruption,that doesn't help anyone. As so many of them are wealthy,a couple have million quid property rentals,why do they not just cough up for the insulation themselves. my daughter whose in a HA house, water coming in the walls, chimney,bugger all loft insulation, went up there to get the cat carrier and found you can see daylight!! Tuesday,she lost her job,was pure luck they gave her a months wages when it was legally a week they could have got away with. She's been coughing, ill,complaining for 3 years. They put scaffolding up a few months back 'inspected', the roof and chimney, they never noticed the hole
     She also got propositioned by the workman who kept her number,and she was having panic attacks at the thought this man might be the one who came out next time
  • Nanny BeachNanny Beach Posts: 8,719
    edited November 2021
    Just done the Ecrotricity one imaging we already have the solar panels, came up as 3.1, them proceeded to tell me between 3 and 5,I should eat less red meat, haven't eaten any for 40 years,and fly less,I put zero to all the flying.WWF 7.1 tonnes, exactly the same answers to different questions
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    edited November 2021
    '...It might feel now that things are moving fast but some people having been banging this particular drum for a lifetime and it feels that suddenly that some of the main stream in the UK is catching up with the science....'

    I think it is moving fast - it's not only a feeling. Shaun has been on the planet 2million plus years. Even if you go back to the industrial revolution, that's only what, only 200-300 years ago. For the intervening millennia man had little more than basic selective crop and animal breeding and limited chemical manipulation (metallurgy). Then see the changes since 1900-1950. In the 18th century, what, 800million worldwide, then by 1900 that doubles to 1.5 billion?. So better farming mechanisation and food production? Then by 1950 2.5 billion, 2021 7+billion. I'm not then blaming population growth per se, but what enabled the population to grow. In 1950 even in the UK the life expectancy was what 60s? And now 80+ - 15 year increase in 70 years? https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy is enlightening.
    What has been done is quite amazing - but it's at a cost. The rate of change - caused by the introduction of computing since the 50s, has been alarming. We will be manipulating DNA as a regular thing soon, but that is only possible because of the computing power we have.
    From livescience:
    '...Sequencing technology has vastly improved in recent years. Sequencing the first human genome cost about $1 billion and took 13 years to complete; today it costs about $3,000 to $5000 and takes just one to two days....'
    That leap forward was due to computing.

    That may lead to even bigger populations as people live even longer worldwide - as we cure more illnesses.We design things that fly, that aren't aerodynamic, because of computers. We model the world and can manipulate stuff that we couldn't before because of the power of those machines.

    It is moving fast - it isn't a perception thing or a feeling. We now create a problem and it's worldwide within years/decades.  But it takes years to correct the problems. From pesticides to plastics to co2 to ?.... We introduce things now rapidly but it's not like the past where a change may affect a country or two and hit a few million, now it goes global and hits 7 billion.

    It's this rate of change that is new and that needs to be managed.

    PS it always amazed me when I looked at population growth and realised what a task things were. Imagine building the Pyramids. We automatically apply today's standards back - but they had no fridges, no local supermarkets and a population that was incredibly small - so why give up so much resource needed in just living, to create such follies?


    UK - South Coast Retirement Campus (East)
  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    Just bought a new eco mattress does that count as a contribution. 🛌 
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

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