I have stood alongside roads and waved banners ... my aunt has chained herself to railings and ridden her motorbike slowly but legally along the road. in front of lorries transporting live calves for export .. our protests were seen ... I do not believe that I or anyone else have the right to illegally obstruct the road in order to try to get my point across.
Maybe protesters should access and turn off the mains water, gas or electricity to get their point across ... would that be ok?
If not, why not?
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As for your comment on medical testing - I never said it was ok. But all drugs have side effects and some people died because of the Covid vaccines. Not many - but some did - my point being that then was the good for the majority worth that? Like I said above - if that was my relative, I'd be up in arms - so it matters the closer you are to the event doesn't it? - BUT to the vast majority, the benefits of a working vaccine vastly outweigh the few deaths. The risk WAS worth it.
Those were decisions made by a democratically elected government (not one I elected but I believe in democracy, in the absence of any better system) ... not by an unelected organisation no matter how well-intentioned.
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Depends doesn't it? Is murder ok, but war not? (I put it that way intentionally). Would it have been murder to kill Hitler and would that have been good? We could play moral games all day Dove.
We have all seen protests (some violent) around the world and applaud their outcome. We've seen other protests and want to jail the protesters because we don't agree with their cause. Suffrage is one that was generally seen as good isn't it? Was anyone listening to the suffrage movement? What about civil rights in the States? Did anyone listen to the recent protests in Hong Kong (and I mean those who can actually do anything?). What do you do when people won't listen?
In some cases it takes breaking the law to achieve an end - maybe it would have happened anyway in time. But isn't this protest simply because in their eyes there is no time left?
In this case, I don't see that 'harm' was the intent at all.
Apparently the bloke who is running the insulation protests is a property millionaire, who's tenants have complained about the state of their properties. I saw the interview on the news when they stopped the ambulance getting through, the bloke then changed from saying they were carrying on,until the government gave an assurance regarding insolation to ranting about the NHS. Do they not realize how much is pollution they are causing backing up the traffic
If you have a vote then that is the way to change things ... if no party represents your views then if you are a person of conviction you should stand for election yourself ... to cause harm, disruption and chaos is to subscribe to anarchy.
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I'm not playing moral games ... morality isn't a game. Killing Hitler before war had been declared would have been murder ... whether I could have justified it to myself I don't know ... if I had been able to then I would have expected to take my punishment, which at that time would have been the death sentence.
Of course that's the way in a democracy. But in that process there's protesting, lobbying, getting headlines - all these things are used as part of that process (invaluably so) to apply pressure to a government (and future governments). Is it ok to have businesses lobbying from within the corridors of power (and some of that lobbying resulting in mass hardship, illness and death) and other causes ignored because they're outside?
Was women's suffrage then anarchy? And how would women (and men) have got the vote without protest (and in some cases violent protest) - without having the ability to vote? What about Civil Rights in the States. Should the people have just sat back and tried to vote through legislations without the pressure the disturbances caused?
I'm not playing moral games ... morality isn't a game. Killing Hitler before war had been declared would have been murder ... whether I could have justified it to myself I don't know ... if I had been able to then I would have expected to take my punishment, which at that time would have been the death sentence.
... In this case, I don't see that 'harm' was the intent at all.
Hmm ... so unintended consequences are excusable are they?
'I'm sorry m'lud ... I didn't mean to knock down and kill that pedestrian when I drove home drunk'. Do I get let off 'cos I didn't mean any harm?
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Hmm ... so unintended consequences are excusable are they?...'
In some circumstances yes. The law sees that as well. As pointed out already, some people died due to the vaccine. Totally unintended. Some people had all sorts of effects from all sorts of drugs. All totally unintended. I used to watch a thing Called Crime of Passion on TV (I'm old) where they argued in a French court over murder - was it intended or 'in the heat of the moment' - the difference being intent/premeditation. Malice aforethought being a term. I'm not legal, but isn't that also the case here with murder/manslaughter? - but 'Crime Of Passion' sounds better doesn't it?
Have you not excused an intentional act of a child or even an adult because of their upbringing? Why? The act is the same irrespective of upbringing isn't it? If a person steals, it's wrong. But what if that person's children are starving and the person stole food? Excusable? Jusitifiable?
Doesn't the excuseability of an act rely on many factors? But some ARE excusable?
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Maybe protesters should access and turn off the mains water, gas or electricity to get their point across ... would that be ok?
If not, why not?
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When you don't even know who's in the team
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But I do agree with the climate activists' cause ... but not their methods.
Hmm ... so unintended consequences are excusable are they?
'I'm sorry m'lud ... I didn't mean to knock down and kill that pedestrian when I drove home drunk'. Do I get let off 'cos I didn't mean any harm?
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