OH said that while we were away a colleague was confronted by a non-mask wearing customer demanding to know why he was wearing a mask
"Don't you know that it's been proved that masks prevent 80% of oxygen getting to your brain? "
(I would've replied 'so you've been wearing yours a long time then?' ).
He went on to explain that there was a cure for AIDS but the man who invented it was politically assassinated .... and there's a cure for all types of cancer too but that scientist has also been killed off by 'governments'.
It was the last that was the straw that broke the camel's back ... OH''s colleague is a former soldier who's done two tours of Afghanistan, one in Iraq and several in NI ... he has a young daughter who has Hodgkin's Lymphoma and is having a grim time ....
The customer was ushered firmly from the shop and told not to return without a mask.
Believe it or not he came back later, wearing a mask, and bought something. Just an attention-seeking idiot then 😠
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What I don't get re the joyful 'gotchas' of anyone protesting on issues of climate change is why? Surely the issue is the one they are protesting about, rather than the protesters themselves. Once the conversation in the media, among ourselves is - what are we personally doing to save energy, what is the government doing to move away from a dependence on fossil fuels and investing in green energy - they will not have a need to draw our attention to these issues as we will already be talking about it.
The petrol shortage here has made me think a bit more about unnecessary car journeys - even though we managed to get some. We got out of the driving habit during lockdown too.. We are definitely using the car less than a couple of years ago. However, being in the house more means using more gas so it's swings and roundabouts.
I don't think anyone's objecting to folk protesting about issues that affect climate change (if they are I've missed it). I've certainly been trying to be as environmentally aware as I can for many years ... before many of them were born.
What does stick in my craw are some of the methods being used ... causing more pollution from vehicles held up in queues etc, causing folk to miss hospital appointments or even threatening to hold up ambulances. If folk don't care about human beings why do they care about climate change ...? Who are they saving the planet for?
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Maybe not about one...two...three..ten..twenty..two hundred people, but about 66million in this country alone? So is caring for the majority better than caring for a smaller minority? When is any effect of any protest justified? I would have been up in arms if their protest had affected my wife when she was ill, but I understand their protest. Their problem is when does the 'bad press' outweigh the good and people switch off from their message anyway?
On your mask wearing comment earlier, I think I now follow some of the conspiracy theories that seemed to abound re covid. I don't know how I missed it, but there was a couple of series of a TV 'dark comedy' called Utopia (good actors in it - Stephen Rea, Geraldine James, James Fox, Adeel Akhtar...) aired on Channel 4 back in 2013 (I think) - that me and my son started watching on Britbox. Some of the parallels between that storyline and what happened with Covid made us smile. I think Amazon ended up buying the rights and are or have created an American version - so goodness knows how many in the US will now watch it and say '...there, told you Covid was a conspiracy...'.
What does stick in my craw are some of the methods being used ... causing more pollution from vehicles held up in queues etc, causing folk to miss hospital appointments or even threatening to hold up ambulances. If folk don't care about human beings why do they care about climate change ...? Who are they saving the planet for?
@steveTu ... "The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members" .... that and similar statements have been quoted by many folk from President Truman to Gandhi and others.
To say that the wellbeing of some folk can be disregarded in order to achieve a political aim is appalling ... it's a slippery slope from there to genocide.
Protest as much as you like ... I may well join in ... but knowingly to cause preventable harm to another human being ... ??? Really??? They can justify that???
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That quote is fine Dove (and I used it earlier and agree with it), but I don't think that it means 'no one' can ever be harmed in doing good does it? Or else you could never test any drugs. You could argue there that the people volunteer to test, but people also have bad reactions after. The overall benefit outweighs the harm done does it not? Does it matter than 1... 2...10 died due to the vaccine? Lockdown will have harmed people - we all know that - but we accept it because it (in theory) was for a greater good. It's a dilemma, true, and it becomes a problem when bad is promoted as good - but to me I have to cater for the world's good being greater than my needs. If that wasn't true, do I care on the sunny south coast about someone in Africa or on an island somewhere. global warming isn't affecting me that much now - so why would I bother doing anything? But what I do is nothing compared to what governments do - and if they don't act, then the problem is worse for billions.
I don't think the protesters 'knowingly' stopped an ambulance or tried to harm anyone. That wasn't the aim. You could argue (and I bet this must have happened) that ANY protest that has closed a street or road (and we've had loads of those over the years) will, by the laws of averages, harmed someone who needed help and couldn't get it.
If the protesters had targeted ambulance stations or hospitals and stopped people going in and out, then fine, they would have a far worse case to answer and I wouldn't even attempt to justify their actions. But blocking a road isn't new and hasn't only been done by them.
As I've said before, it's against the law in the UK to obstruct the highway ... when we organised street fairs in our village, Fun Runs, Dwile Flonking etc, we had to jump through various hoops to ensure that proper diversions around the village were available to passing traffic.
A protest is a protest ... obstruction is obstruction ... they are not the same thing.
and to the best of my knowledge has not been done in the UK in anything like recent times.
Blocking a road in order to protest isn't new ... I've done it and so have members of my family ... glueing yourself to the road so that you cannot move or be moved on when instructed to do so by a policeman is new and I would not do it.
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A protest, by it's very nature, potentially against the people who create the rules about protesters - what do protesters do if the people who should be listening don't (Hong Kong springs to mind)? Not all of us support all protests, that's a given, but if somebody believes in something should they be stopped in getting their point across?
As I said, in this case, I think these protesters are walking a thin line between getting their point across and losing support - and I would be up in arms if their protest had directly affected me. The police have the law and the ability already to stop 'illegal' protests.
As for your comment on medical testing - I never said it was ok. But all drugs have side effects and some people died because of the Covid vaccines. Not many - but some did - my point being that then was the good for the majority worth that? Like I said above - if that was my relative, I'd be up in arms - so it matters the closer you are to the event doesn't it? - BUT to the vast majority, the benefits of a working vaccine vastly outweigh the few deaths. The risk WAS worth it.
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"Don't you know that it's been proved that masks prevent 80% of oxygen getting to your brain? "
(I would've replied 'so you've been wearing yours a long time then?'
He went on to explain that there was a cure for AIDS but the man who invented it was politically assassinated .... and there's a cure for all types of cancer too but that scientist has also been killed off by 'governments'.
It was the last that was the straw that broke the camel's back ... OH''s colleague is a former soldier who's done two tours of Afghanistan, one in Iraq and several in NI ... he has a young daughter who has Hodgkin's Lymphoma and is having a grim time ....
The customer was ushered firmly from the shop and told not to return without a mask.
Believe it or not he came back later, wearing a mask, and bought something. Just an attention-seeking idiot then 😠
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
What I don't get re the joyful 'gotchas' of anyone protesting on issues of climate change is why? Surely the issue is the one they are protesting about, rather than the protesters themselves. Once the conversation in the media, among ourselves is - what are we personally doing to save energy, what is the government doing to move away from a dependence on fossil fuels and investing in green energy - they will not have a need to draw our attention to these issues as we will already be talking about it.
We are definitely using the car less than a couple of years ago. However, being in the house more means using more gas so it's swings and roundabouts.
What does stick in my craw are some of the methods being used ... causing more pollution from vehicles held up in queues etc, causing folk to miss hospital appointments or even threatening to hold up ambulances. If folk don't care about human beings why do they care about climate change ...? Who are they saving the planet for?
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
To say that the wellbeing of some folk can be disregarded in order to achieve a political aim is appalling ... it's a slippery slope from there to genocide.
Protest as much as you like ... I may well join in ... but knowingly to cause preventable harm to another human being ... ??? Really??? They can justify that???
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
A protest is a protest ... obstruction is obstruction ... they are not the same thing.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/04/insulate-britain-drivers-move-protestors-to-help-ambulance-through-15359474/
And no, medical experiementation/testing without informed consent is not ok
https://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm
and to the best of my knowledge has not been done in the UK in anything like recent times.
Blocking a road in order to protest isn't new ... I've done it and so have members of my family ... glueing yourself to the road so that you cannot move or be moved on when instructed to do so by a policeman is new and I would not do it.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.