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Beginner - help with compost mix for containers

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  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    edited September 2021
    As has been said, adding some MPC to the mix can lighten it which is especially suitable for many perennials. 

    Normally perennials will be repotted into fresh compost each  year … trees and shrubs are likely to be repotted less … my practice over the years has been to use Levingtons JI No 3 more or less ‘as is’ for trees and shrubs … if they require a more freedraining medium (such as for figs, bay, rosemary etc) I add a proportion of fairly coarse horticultural grit.

    I might add a proportion of leaf mould if I have some, particularly for ‘understory’ woodland trees and shrubs such as Corylus avellana and similar. 

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    Dedekind said:
    Another thing about MPC is that it breaks down into finer and finer particles quite quickly, and before long it’s almost dust … this means that it loses its moisture retentive properties, along with the aeration, and then roots become starved of moisture and oxygen. 

    But then what is the point of mixing it with anything on a long term container
    ? (Not trying to start any kind of argument by the way, just trying to understand :) )

    That is a good question actually. We know it breaks down to almost nothing, but when added to soil, at the start of that process it makes the soil nice and open and amenable to root growth. At the end of the process most of it has disappeared but the remnants stay in the soil as humus, which is beneficial. It's a different matter when it is used as the sole potting medium, in the long term. (But for short term use e.g. bedding and potting on, it's great!)
    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
  • Jac19Jac19 Posts: 496
    edited September 2021
    Most things in MPC, particularly peat, are in a state that can be easily broken down and absorbed as nutrition by plants.  I'd say 90% of what is there in MPC is easily broken down and absorbed easily and very fast  The plants take it all up very fast and the 10% or so that is left is like a bit of moss.  The plants have nothing to "hold onto" with their roots.

    Whereas soil has lots of things in various stages of decomposition.  The content can decompose only very slowly, and there are other things in it that do not decompose.  It's a mix of various different things that are slowly decomposing a tiny bit at a time over a long time.  So, the roots have something to hold onto for years. 
    And to this we add nutrition as a slow release fertilizer.

    However, mixing in a bit of MPC to it gives the plants that early boost needed to get established.  That is why it is good to mix a bit of MPC in.
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    edited September 2021
    Peat is not absorbed by the plant … 🤯
    only stuff that is water-soluble can be absorbed by the roots. 

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • Jac19Jac19 Posts: 496
    edited September 2021
    Peat is "in a state that is easily broken down and absorbed by plants," is what I wrote.
    What peat easily decomposes and breaks down into are the components that are easily absorbed as nutrients by plants.
    Read before you leap.

    Other materials in normal soil are in a state that decompose and break down over a much longer time.
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    Not really.
  • YnneadYnnead Posts: 250
    I think this thread should be stickied so people who are unsure about compost, as there are so many different types could refer to it. Unless theres something similar on the internet though its hard to know what is trustworthy.
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  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    Unfortunately, we don't have that system on this forum @Ynnead. I know they have it on other gardening forums though. It would be useful for quite a lot of threads - tomatoes, sweet peas, lawns etc   :)
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    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    Peat (and things like composted bark etc) don't really provide nutrients, even as they break down. However they are good at holding onto nutrients in a form that roots can access. I won't go into detail on it but we covered this at college many years ago, it's called 'cation exchange capacity' or CEC. Clay is also high CEC, sandy soil is low CEC.
    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    MPC is really just a medium - they can add fertiliser to give nutrient value. A medium can have properties like holding onto water.
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