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Shopping Ethically for Bulbs

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  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    one could argue that shipping bulbs hundreds / thousands of miles is , in itself , unethical on purely envirnonmental factors?
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  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    Hostafan1 said:
    one could argue that shipping bulbs hundreds / thousands of miles is , in itself , unethical on purely envirnonmental factors?

    The question at hand was about spraying.
  • RedwingRedwing Posts: 1,511
    edited September 2021
    Fire said:
    Hostafan1 said:
    one could argue that shipping bulbs hundreds / thousands of miles is , in itself , unethical on purely envirnonmental factors?

    The question at hand was about spraying.
    In part my original post was about spraying but more generally the applications of insecticides and fungicides at all levels in bulb production, which, I guess none of us really know the extent of.  I was presuming that the bulbs are chemically treated as bulbs after harvest to protect them from whatever nasties the growers "think" they need protecting from as well. My particular concern is noenicitinoids as they are very long lasting (years or maybe decades?). My question was also about whether the cheap bulbs contained more chemicals as the original quote claimed.  I question this as chemicals are expensive and if,  as claimed in the article, cheap bulbs contain more chemicals, that would increase production costs, or so you would think. 

    As has been pointed out, most bulbs purchased in the UK and Europe are grown in Holland, which of course is subject to EU rules. Nionics are due to be banned or have been banned for non food crops and some food crops too in the EU but I'm not sure if that is in place yet.
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  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    I had always assumed (perhaps wrongly) that the main difference between cheap and expensive bulbs was their size i.e. cheap bulbs are usually smaller, so not mature and don't produce either bigger flowers or more of them. Not true?

    It has never occurred to me that the bulbs might be sprayed - against what?
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  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    As Redwing says in the initial post - fungicide and insecticide sprays.
  • I’ve a feeling that in the past (don’t know about nowadays) bulbs were dusted with something (sulphur) to help prevent fungal problems … but I’m struggling to think of bulbs other than lilies which might ‘benefit’ from neonics 🤔 

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  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    I think narcissus suffer from a particular 'fly' but not sure if they attack the bulb or flower? 

    Can't think of any others, apart from as Dove says, lilies and red lily beetles.
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  • RedwingRedwing Posts: 1,511
    edited September 2021
    OK, here's a link to an article from 2017 by the same author, Alys Fowler, explaining about pesticide use in bulb production:

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/sep/30/alys-fowler-plant-organic-bulbs-bees

    This is a quote from the above: "Neonicotinoids are used as a flower bulb drench to keep aphids and other sap-sucking insects off plants, and are common pesticides in the bulb industry. The half-life of neonicotinoids is estimated somewhere between 34 days and three years as they break down in the soil; it is not only flying insects that are affected during that time, but bacteria, amoebae, worms and insects in the soil, too. Even when the levels of toxicity are too low to kill soil fauna, studies have shown that they impair earthworms’ ability to tunnel. Every bee that visits your bloom, every worm that tunnels around your bulbs, is tasting a tiny bit of poison."

    And here is the article my original post quoted from:

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/sep/11/how-to-grow-next-years-tulips

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  • I really don’t think I’ve ever seen aphids on spring bulbs … 🤔 

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