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REMF33REMF33 Posts: 731
This is a potentially a long shot (as it's just foliage), but does anyone know what this is? It's in my mother's garden. She has dementia and is housebound/can't walk and there seems to be a sea of green outside her sitting room window - so it seems to make sense to take it all up and put something colourful in. (If this is what she wants, of course. She does keep saying she wants more colour but clearly I would consult her.) It's been in leaf only since I noticed it in June. It is quite low down on the ground. No more than a foot tall. I sense it's something obvious that I should know.





There is also this. (The plant with the white flowers and variagated foliage.) Is this some sort of cultivated ground elder?

Both of these plants are smothering other things out. (The barely visibly red salvia has now disappeared!) She was very much a foliage person, but as I said, now craves colour.




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  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    The first one is a hellebore  :)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • REMF33REMF33 Posts: 731
    Ah of course. Thank you! I knew I should know! So worth keeping, potentially. I suppose it could be reduced. It's spreading over a large area.
  • pitter-patterpitter-patter Posts: 2,429
    The second one does look like aegopodium podagraria 'variegatum'.
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    They can get quite large if they're happy  :)

    Not sure about the other one though, but someone will know. It looks like an umbellifer of some kind, but I don't recognise it.
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Agree with hellebore which flowers in late winter, early spring so is worth keeping.

    The second is, I think, a variegated form of ground elder and is very pretty, much less invasive than the green version and easy to control.  Cut off the flowers when they are over so they can't set seed.

    If you want to add colour, go to a nursery or garden centre and see what's in flower now and sneak them in - be sure to water well before and after planting so they get a good start.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • REMF33REMF33 Posts: 731
    Thanks all. She did really know her stuff very well and her garden was once just stunning. It's still a passion and I think it keeps her going, tbh, but she keeps wanting to order things and they are planted by her gardener, but often in places where she can't see them.
    He generally only does what's asked or things that really obviously need doing, understandably as there is quite a lot of it. (There is about 50% more garden beyond the bottom of the lawn and the same amount of garden to the left of it.) he keeps the bits she can see tidy, but I think even those bits really need thinning out.
    It's hard to know whether to be really proactive about this or just stop trying to control it a bit (especially as I live 200 miles away!) I am not an expert gardener. I've only really started doing serious work on my own garden in the last few of years and I have learnt a lot but so far have exhibited no flare whatsoever for garden design! I have success at growing things but not at placing them well. (I am hoping I will improve at this with practise, research, experience and time.) For her, so far I have put things in pots near the window/house on the basis that it's better for her to see them flowering for a while, and have them die because they don't get watered, than it is to not see them at all because they are out of sight. 
    I have also put things in the garden for her - such as the salvia - but they quickly become engulfed.
    Anyway, sorry for wibbling on.
    Thanks for the ids.
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    It's certainly quite difficult for you @REMF33, and not helped by the fact that you're so far away, although if you were nearer, you might end up spending more time in her garden than your own!
    I don't know what the solution is either, except possibly asking the gardener to plant the stuff she gets nearer to the house - assuming the site will suit them. Other than that, pots of colour is probably all you can do. Something I often recommend is having a nice pot [or several] and then using plastic pots filled with different plants and bulbs etc,  that can be put inside the nice ones and swapped around according to the season. That might be an option if the gardener could be got onside too. 

    No need to apologise either  :)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
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