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Clematis passion flower

Does anyone know what might have happened to my clematis? Planted 3 weeks ago and doing fine initially. Watered Fri eve and wilted by Saturday morning. It’s now Monday and not looking any better. Any tips on what to do next? 
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  • philippasmith2philippasmith2 Posts: 3,742
    Is it a Clematis or a Passion flower ?  Perhaps my eyesight but difficult to tell from your photo.
    Whichever it is, it would seem to have a bit of competition from the surrounding planting.
    As it is only young and newly planted, it will need time to establish a root system. If you purchased it from an indoor space and then planted straight outside, it will have had a bit of a shock.  The hot dry weather recently won't have helped either. 
    Clematis tend to prefer their roots in the shade if that is any help ?
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    What variety is it? It does look like a clematis.  :)
    If it's a young plant [ it looks immature]  and is one of the larger flowered types [which it appears to be from the foliage] then it will need plenty of water, and time to establish. Make sure when you water, that you do it thoroughly every few days - not a trickle every day, as that does more harm than good. Deep watering means the roots will get deep into the soil, and the plant can then withstand drier spells in future. They need a deep, cool root run.
    Ideally, they also benefit from being planted a little deeper than they are in the pot. You can get round that by adding more compost as a mulch round the base. That encourages more shoots from below ground, and gives you a better plant. It also needs the plastic ties on the stems removed, and the stems tied in with soft string to the cane/support. Those ties are only there for the purpose of transporting and selling the plants.  :)
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    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • Thanks. It is a clematis passiflora. Yes there’s a lot planted around but a lot newly planted so just getting established. Some shade for roots there but i was worried I might have given it cold water shock? The day before it wilted it was very hot and I watered everything with a sprinkler run front the tap. Are the best left to see if they will recover or take it out of the ground and put in a pot? Thanks 
  • philippasmith2philippasmith2 Posts: 3,742
    I definitely need to buy some new Eyes I think :D but @Fairygirl 's advice is well worth following to get if off to a good start.
  • Many thanks 
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    Do you mean you're using a sprinkler to spray the plants?
    You need to water down at the base of plants, ideally after sun has gone, but as long as it's not over the plant foliage.
    A clematis which is a couple of years old or more, would need about 5 or 6 litres of water every few days [an average watering can full]. A younger plant probably wouldn't need as much, but it's a judgment based on your soil conditions, and how much other planting there is, so it's not a hard and fast rule. 
    It's also a judgement call as to whether it would be better potted up and grown on for a while. Anything bought in a supermarket or similar outlet tends to be a young plant, and they generally benefit from being grown on for another year in a deeper pot before planting out. Bought from a recognised clematis supplier, or a good G. Centre/nursery, you would have a mature plant of at least two years old, which can be planted straight into the ground.  :)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • Busy-LizzieBusy-Lizzie Posts: 24,043
    I've looked up clematis passiflora on Google and it doesn't exist. It is either a clematis or a passiflora (passion flower). I think it looks more like a passion flower, buds are wrong for a clematis. Leaves are too droopy to tell.

    It may have needed hardening off before planting. Was it inside or outside at the garden centre? Have there been any slugs or snails? Passion flowers, depending which ones, can be sensitive to changes of temperature.


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  • philippasmith2philippasmith2 Posts: 3,742
    @Busy-Lizzie Glad it's not just me.  I too have never heard of a Clematis passiflora.
    Looking at the photo again, the leaves, tho very droopy, resemble a Passiflora rather than a Clematis as do the couple of flower buds showing.

    Same treatment more or less still applies for a young, newly purchased/planted specimen.

    If it is the basic P Cerulea, it will usually take off like a monster so @shelleyctaylor could perhaps enquire at the GC from which it was purchased.  There are other P's which are nicer than the basic one tho not always as hardy.  If the flowers open, it may be easier to ID.
  • Oh dear! I have been using a sprinklers which projects upwards so will soak all foliage as well as ground. Is this bad for the plant? It is a clematis white lightning passiflora. It was bought from a garden centre and was under a cover. 
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    There's no such thing as a clematis passiflora, as @Busy-Lizzie says. There are clematis which look like passion flowers - some of the Florida types. Perhaps it's the way the label has been written? 
    Now that the pic is turned, I'd agree the foliage looks more like a passion flower too though. I'm really struggling with all the photos which are sideways! Many passion flowers aren't hardy either. Not something I've ever grown as I dislike them, but most wouldn't survive here anyway. If you have the right conditions, they can get enormous, so I doubt your obelisk support will be adequate. 

    Yes - that's not a very good way to water plants I'm afraid. You need to water at the base - either with a hose laid down on the ground for a while to do sections of a border at a time, or have a seep hose installed, or stand with the hose at  the base of plants for a while. You could get away with a sprinkler type system if you had it raised off the ground so that it's falling from above like rain would, and done when there's no sun.
    A way of doing it is to shove a border fork into the ground somewhere nearby, and feed the hose through, fixing the hose  handle in place in the fork handle. I don't know if that makes sense, but it's a simple way of doing it to save standing for ages.  :)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
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