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Two Trees ID Please
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New Garden with two unidentified trees.
In some ways the two trees look similar, but they are different. Any help much appreciated.
First Tree: Possibly a Plum?



Second Tree: Something different or just a different variety of plum?



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The second one could be walnut, it would have a distinctive smell; if so, now is the time for pickling walnuts!
Not seeing that in pics.
Both mystery trees look to be in the plum/damson, greengage tree group.