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My wisteria has died after 20 years...or has it?

Bill_and_BenBill_and_Ben Posts: 161
We installed a deck in 2001 and planted a wisteria in a purpose made hole in it. It's been fabulous from very shortly after planting with loads of racemes every year. We prune it twice a year as recommended.

All looked fine this year as buds appeared but it then just stopped growing and we have no idea why. Previous experience is that they are quite hard to kill as we've removed two others when we remodelled our garden in 2014 and both still start to grow back every year.

This is how it looked in April last year:


 
And this is now:



It's planted in a hole in the deck and the trunk is now almost filling the hole but we figured it gets water from the roots and also the water runs down through the deck boards.

Any ideas why this might have happened? Given it's just stopped growing should I assume it it never going to recover and chop it down or is it worth giving it another year in case something changes? This is a south facing wall so warm. We have another on the east facing wall (to the left of this photo) which is newer and has bloomed as normal in April/May.

Here's a photo taken last November showing the planting hole (which the trunk takes about 75% of the surface space up now). Next door's cat uses the trunk as a scratching post but I wouldn't expect that to kill it.




My location: Histon, near Cambridge, UK


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  • fidgetbonesfidgetbones Posts: 17,618
    Has the decking ring barked it? I don't see a gap at all.
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    I suspect it's dying of thirst.  Try pouring water down around the trunk.  15 litres a day to start with and get that decking hole widened asap.

    Keep watering all thru summer because even in heavy rain with all that decking it will be going short even if you expand the hole.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    I would cut a square hole in the decking and see what's going on down there. If you scrape the bark a little with a knife, is it still green underneath?
  • Bill_and_BenBill_and_Ben Posts: 161
    @fidgetbones @Obelixx @Fire Many thanks for all your helpful comments. I will try the extreme watering exercise despite having had three weeks of what feels like constant rain in Cambridge!

    @fidgetbones I'm not sure what you mean when you say 'Has the decking ring barked it?'. There's still a gap all around the trunk and none is actually against the wood of the decking...yet.

    @Obelixx I think the wisteria will be going before making larger holes in the deck! I'm not overly happy with this wisteria as pruning it twice a year requires going up ladders and we're not getting any younger to take such risks. The one on the back of the house has two bedroom windows overlooking it so we can prune from above as well as below which is easier and safer. I am minded to lose this wisteria anyway and grow something more manageable as we get into years when I don't want ladders in use! I did call a gardener in May and ask if he could prune it in June. Earliest he could do was September! So my husband was back up the dreaded ladder.

    I scraped the bark and it looks green underneath so there is hope maybe. Here are photos showing the size of trunk to hole and where I scraped the bark.




    My location: Histon, near Cambridge, UK


  • Busy-LizzieBusy-Lizzie Posts: 24,043
    I had a double flowered, very scented, wisteria that did that, but it sent up a new shoot which turned into another wisteria, single flowered, big long flowers. Must have been the root stock below the graft. I will never know why the first one died, it was about 15 years old.
    Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
  • Bill_and_BenBill_and_Ben Posts: 161
    I had a double flowered, very scented, wisteria that did that, but it sent up a new shoot which turned into another wisteria, single flowered, big long flowers. Must have been the root stock below the graft. I will never know why the first one died, it was about 15 years old.
    I guess I'll leave ours in case it does that. Would almost welcome that as ours got a little too big for the situation so starting again wouldn't be such a bad thing! Interesting that yours changed from one type to another - like you say must have been from below the root stock.
    My location: Histon, near Cambridge, UK


  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    April was cold windy and bone dry for most areas and that will have stressed the plant.  Even all the rain in May will not have reached far from that tiny hole so do give it plenty of water.

    I have 2 inherited wisteria which are on single storey walls so I only need a ladder to get up to cut any stems going up behind gutters or trying to sneak under tiles.  I am not precious about counting back to 7 nodes in the July prune, nor 2 in the February prune. 

    Come June, all the first lot of flowers have dropped, sporadic re-flowering has started and long whippy shoots start forming.  They do that all summer and get shortened all summer, generally with a handy pair of secateurs and occasionally I get out the pruning saw or loppers if a thicker branch needs cutting back or re-shaping.    
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • Bill_and_BenBill_and_Ben Posts: 161
    Thanks @Obelixx - I have just noticed your location and am dreaming of how lovely your wisteria doubtless is and of the magnificent Vendee region! We were hoping to drive to France this summer for a holiday but it's now not looking too hopeful! Oh well....I'll be home to water mine wisteria more. Just gave it two watering cans worth today and will give it a good soak each day. I don't think it is entirely dead as a shoot is attempting to poke between boards on the decking as they are apt to do!
    My location: Histon, near Cambridge, UK


  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    Hello @Bill_and_Ben, may I suggest that you have your wisteria pruned right down to a level where you can reach safely? Mine's trained horizontally on a 6ft high wall, goes along the front, round a corner and then grows for another 24 ft or so. I don't even need a ladder. 
    It would be easier to prune it now whilst you can see what you are doing. 
    It will either kill or cure it!
    North East Somerset - Clay soil over limestone
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Here they are @Bill_and_Ben - last year's photos as this year they were frosted before I had a chance.




    I have recently planted a white wisteria floribunda to grow along a waist high fence round the veg plot.  I watered it regularly all thru that cold, dry April and it is now taking off.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
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