There's no info as it's meant to be safe even if they drink it. I wait until it has dried before allowing the dogs out onto areas that have been sprayed.
I would spray the weeds 5 days will be enough for the poison to get down to the roots even if they are only starting to show damage by then it will still be working.
There's no info as it's meant to be safe even if they drink it. I wait until it has dried before allowing the dogs out onto areas that have been sprayed.
I would spray the weeds 5 days will be enough for the poison to get down to the roots even if they are only starting to show damage by then it will still be working.
That had kinda been where my thinking had been going - just so long as that wouldn't then kill the turf but if they're removing the old grass, then adding topsoil and then laying new turf, not sure it would present a problem and might - might - be enough to start the process of killing them off.
Here's an example of a glyphosate product with a clear pic of the back label. "Keep children and pets out of treated areas until dry". Big green writing in the yellow strip near the top. They can't say how long it will take to dry because that depends on things like how warm and how sunny it is, what the atmospheric humidity is, etc.
On the item I purchased it gives the high level (not) 'detail': KEEP PRODUCT AWAY FROM CHILDREN AND PETS
That's it, not very detailed is it lol! Hence my question. Presumably the guidance and detail varies on a per product basis.
Very clear it's not to be swallowed but it doesn't say a busting lot about if it becomes harmless on contact with the earth or if it's only going to hurt an animal or child if they drink it versus what if they just touched it versus what if they only licked it.... I think a bit more detail isn't a lot to ask for because clearly, you don't want to mess with the item and allow yourself, others or pets to be harmed.
Looking at the item on Amazon literally everyone on there was guessing what they thought the requirements were for safety. '24 hours no touching or anything' was the consensus. But that's guessing - which is what people will do if the manufacturer doesn't provide sufficient detail.
Thought you might like an update on how well my new turf laying has gone...:
Turf supplier supplied only half what was needed (my man didn't notice until he was 3/4 of the way through the job....) thus I have half a lawn with (obviously) raw edges all around all exposed turfs
Dips and humps everywhere - visible to the naked eye never mind when walking up and down
Where turf joins turf there's visible turf earth/sod because the turf isn't butted up to the turf next to it
Oh, and it looks like a patchwork quilt - the turf lengths are SO short there's loads more joins than there needs to be because of this and again, that's not good for supporting the lawn establishing itself. Picture from the film 'Fun With Dick & Jane' how his 'lawn' looked after he'd harvested it from other people's gardens. It's not that bad, but it really isn't very good either
'Lawn' is not level with the height of patio (so fair play, it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be) - but against the free edge of patio turf is turned upwards to the air, not firmly butted in, and slopes UP to the patio tiles. Suspect it is resting on concrete on this edge so will likely die whereas if the ground height had been raised with topsoil to the same level of the patio then firmly pressed down, the turf would be flat here rather than sloping up to 'meet' the patio (the 'meeting' of the turf to the patio is more of a covid-19 elbow bumps event than a firm handshake)
Then 5 more days before they can supply and fit the second half of the turf during which (unless it keeps raining) I'll have to keep watering endless times a day - particularly on the raw edges - in the hopes they don't die.
So. It's gone really well!
Yet another job done by someone else that's been done badly and which I could actually have done better myself. I just thought, stuff it, I'll get someone else to do it, it's quite a physical job and tiring so let an 'expert' do it. What a joke. It takes me back to when I had a 'decorator' wallpaper my downstairs lav and he literally tore strips of wallpaper and decoupaged them on top of each other - ahhh the memories.
If the raw edges die before the rest is laid, he'll need to trim them back and lay the new stuff up to a fresh edge. As for the humps and hollows, that shows that he didn't do the preparation properly.
Doncaster, South Yorkshire. Soil type: sandy, well-drained
Exactly, prep was not good. Tried to tell me well the ground always settles blah blah - well yes of course, but if you press down all the actual soil (that was already there) and then add/remove to make level, then press down again, then you lay down your topsoil, level, press down, rake again, press down again - then the chances of great 'sink-holes opening' is way less isn't it!
He did have to dig out some established plants and areas like that need careful attention and lots of pressure on them to press them right down - I was walking over great depressions and I knew it was where the plants had been removed.
He then advised his calculations for the turf - 5 x 6 = 10 sqm apparently. I said, er, I think you may have calculated that wrong...
Yes to the photos - snapped everything.
He was fully recommended, good reviews, did some other work for me as well and did a good job of that...
We've left it that he's just levelled it and top soiled it. I'm working so I've no chance to look at it now but I'm going to be conducting a thorough review of his claims of 'it's level now' and sorting it out if I don't think it's right yet. Either he (now I've told him how much more turf he needs to order ... ) supplies that turf to come tomorrow, or I organise some, and if I can get it tomorrow, I shall be laying it tomorrow myself a I've just got the day off.
How much should I ask them to knock off the price if I lay the turf myself? I know the main work was removing the old grass and all and was hard physical work and he views the laying the turf as 'the easy bit' (ya didn't make it look easy!!) - not sure what figure to go back to him with - I was beavering away on the computer yesterday as per so I couldn't tell you how long that took (but then, it was only half a garden and if they ordered the wrong amount and that's why they've got to come back and that means I've got to do it to try and stay on schedule, that's a bit more than just the laying of the turf).
I don't know the going rate for turfing work so I can't help you on that, but one thing you should check is that the second batch of turf is the same as the first (ie the same mix of grass types), otherwise you'll be able to see the difference in colour and texture once it gets growing.
Doncaster, South Yorkshire. Soil type: sandy, well-drained
If you have already paid for the job, you may find it difficult to get any rebate. The contract should have allowed for a period ( agreed between yourselves ) in which you could query/ complain about poor workmanship - grass takes a bit of time to grow after all If you have not yet paid, you are on a much better footing to compromise on what is a fair price for the work done. You obviously owe something for whatever groundwork your chap did but if you are seriously considering having to redo the main job yourself, you will be looking at a big discount. Good luck
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KEEP PRODUCT AWAY FROM CHILDREN AND PETS
That's it, not very detailed is it lol! Hence my question. Presumably the guidance and detail varies on a per product basis.
Very clear it's not to be swallowed but it doesn't say a busting lot about if it becomes harmless on contact with the earth or if it's only going to hurt an animal or child if they drink it versus what if they just touched it versus what if they only licked it.... I think a bit more detail isn't a lot to ask for because clearly, you don't want to mess with the item and allow yourself, others or pets to be harmed.
Looking at the item on Amazon literally everyone on there was guessing what they thought the requirements were for safety. '24 hours no touching or anything' was the consensus. But that's guessing - which is what people will do if the manufacturer doesn't provide sufficient detail.
- Turf supplier supplied only half what was needed (my man didn't notice until he was 3/4 of the way through the job....) thus I have half a lawn with (obviously) raw edges all around all exposed turfs
- Dips and humps everywhere - visible to the naked eye never mind when walking up and down
- Where turf joins turf there's visible turf earth/sod because the turf isn't butted up to the turf next to it
- Oh, and it looks like a patchwork quilt - the turf lengths are SO short there's loads more joins than there needs to be because of this and again, that's not good for supporting the lawn establishing itself. Picture from the film 'Fun With Dick & Jane' how his 'lawn' looked after he'd harvested it from other people's gardens. It's not that bad, but it really isn't very good either
- 'Lawn' is not level with the height of patio (so fair play, it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be) - but against the free edge of patio turf is turned upwards to the air, not firmly butted in, and slopes UP to the patio tiles. Suspect it is resting on concrete on this edge so will likely die whereas if the ground height had been raised with topsoil to the same level of the patio then firmly pressed down, the turf would be flat here rather than sloping up to 'meet' the patio (the 'meeting' of the turf to the patio is more of a covid-19 elbow bumps event than a firm handshake)
- Then 5 more days before they can supply and fit the second half of the turf during which (unless it keeps raining) I'll have to keep watering endless times a day - particularly on the raw edges - in the hopes they don't die.
So. It's gone really well!Yet another job done by someone else that's been done badly and which I could actually have done better myself. I just thought, stuff it, I'll get someone else to do it, it's quite a physical job and tiring so let an 'expert' do it. What a joke. It takes me back to when I had a 'decorator' wallpaper my downstairs lav and he literally tore strips of wallpaper and decoupaged them on top of each other - ahhh the memories.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
He did have to dig out some established plants and areas like that need careful attention and lots of pressure on them to press them right down - I was walking over great depressions and I knew it was where the plants had been removed.
He then advised his calculations for the turf - 5 x 6 = 10 sqm apparently. I said, er, I think you may have calculated that wrong...
Yes to the photos - snapped everything.
He was fully recommended, good reviews, did some other work for me as well and did a good job of that...
We've left it that he's just levelled it and top soiled it. I'm working so I've no chance to look at it now but I'm going to be conducting a thorough review of his claims of 'it's level now' and sorting it out if I don't think it's right yet. Either he (now I've told him how much more turf he needs to order ...
How much should I ask them to knock off the price if I lay the turf myself? I know the main work was removing the old grass and all and was hard physical work and he views the laying the turf as 'the easy bit' (ya didn't make it look easy!!) - not sure what figure to go back to him with - I was beavering away on the computer yesterday as per so I couldn't tell you how long that took (but then, it was only half a garden and if they ordered the wrong amount and that's why they've got to come back and that means I've got to do it to try and stay on schedule, that's a bit more than just the laying of the turf).
If you have not yet paid, you are on a much better footing to compromise on what is a fair price for the work done. You obviously owe something for whatever groundwork your chap did but if you are seriously considering having to redo the main job yourself, you will be looking at a big discount.
Good luck