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Re-laying weed membrane and decorative slate

Hi - I have a small part of my front garden that has a very worn weed membrane with some decorative slate chips on it.  I intend to replace the membrane as it's ineffective at preventing weeds. 

Replacing the membrane I'm fine with.  However, the existing decorative slate is a mixture of slate, hummus and probably a bunch of weed seeds.  Am I best just buying in new decorative slate or is there a way to clean and reuse what's there (i.e. ridding it of the humus and weed seeds).  I'd rather do the latter if there's a reasonably manageable way of doing it.

Thanks for any help given!

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  • GravelEaterGravelEater Posts: 124
    I guess you could just sieve the stone material.

    Anytime we have to do anything in the ground, we've a fair amount of gravel to shift, and the weed prevention liner under that.  As it's not been down for years and years there isn't much debris in there, but there is still bits of broken off gravel and dust and some earth that worms have pushed through at the edges.  A sieve and a quick wash (if I can be bothered) works for us.
  • I guess you could just sieve the stone material.

    Anytime we have to do anything in the ground, we've a fair amount of gravel to shift, and the weed prevention liner under that.  As it's not been down for years and years there isn't much debris in there, but there is still bits of broken off gravel and dust and some earth that worms have pushed through at the edges.  A sieve and a quick wash (if I can be bothered) works for us.

    Thanks for the advice.  What do you using for sieving?  The concept sounds fine, just not sure how it could be applied on scale?
  • GravelEaterGravelEater Posts: 124
    edited May 2021
    Just a ~14 inch hand sieve - and prepare for an unholy PITA job!

    As I say, our gravel and liner hasn't been down for all that long, so we don't have lots of crud in there.  It's really only the edges that are a bit muddy that might need a sieving to remove most of the soil in those shovel fulls.
    I'll tend to use a dustpan and brush to sweep up the grit and whatever, that sits on the liner once the gravel is up.  Makes life easier to fold the liner and well, heck that only takes a minute or two.

    From limited experience, the weed liner helps to prevent some weeds, but others will just grow through it.  It tends to help prevent dandelions and other typical types, as they only grow in the gravel, and roots aren't getting any purchase (but clearly are developing!).  Makes them easier to pull out.

    Originally, when we were laying the gravel I sieved a LOT (a few builders wheel barrows full!) of it that was destined for the smaller areas.  About 4-5 washes under a running tap got a lot of the muck off.  Black granite is a pain for this, as it looks soo darn dusty and grey otherwise.  The rest we just hosed down once it was on the ground and let rain do the rest.

    I suppose, if you had a place to pool the slate, like an old tonne gravel bag, you could chuck the slate into that and hit it with some glyphosate .  That should take care of most organic growth on it.  Obviously, any herbicides shouldn't be used on windy days else it'll travel and damage other plants, and one should use necessary and relevant PPE when making it up from concentrate (if applicable) and using it.
    A few days or so and the treated slate should be 'clean' enough to put back on the ground without any ill effects on plants.
  • ErgatesErgates Posts: 2,953
    We piled our slate on a concrete path and hosed it down a few times. There was quite a lot of it, so sieving it wasn’t an option for us. Seemed to work ok though. We shovelled the clean top layers back, then hosed the pile again. Rinse and repeat. 
    We are on a hill though, so the debris was able to run away leaving the clean slate.
  • Ergates said:
    We piled our slate on a concrete path and hosed it down a few times. There was quite a lot of it, so sieving it wasn’t an option for us. Seemed to work ok though. We shovelled the clean top layers back, then hosed the pile again. Rinse and repeat. 
    We are on a hill though, so the debris was able to run away leaving the clean slate.

    Thanks, I was thinking on doing something similar, but we're on very flat ground. Maybe I'll build a dome shame with the slate so the debris at least runs to the bottom.
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    I pulled up some thick weed membrane geo-textile from my neighbour's front garden at the weekend (to plant a rose). It's not a big area - maybe 3m squared - covered in gravel. I was pleasantly surprised to see loads of worms under there. They seem to migrate perfectly happily through the clay. NDN's was probably down about six years, inherited, and mine down probably 15 years+, inherited and working fine. No sign of any disintegration or weakening. Pretty impressive. I imagine nutrients can permeate pretty well. Urban geum does root a bit in the gravel for NDN but very easy to pull off the membrane as roots can't get deep.
  • If you have a wheelbarrow put some in that (<1/4 full) then jet with a hose, swill the water off, and it will carry most of the organic and fine soil with it repeat a couple of times and it will be clean enough. Use as a base layer put some fresh on top as a finish. 
    AB Still learning

  • PlantmindedPlantminded Posts: 3,580
    That's interesting that you found loads of worms under the membrane @Fire.  I've always avoided using geotextile membrane as I'd read it creates a barrier for worms.  Just shows not to believe all you read in books!
    Wirral. Sandy, free draining soil.


  • TheGreenManTheGreenMan Posts: 1,957
    That's interesting that you found loads of worms under the membrane @Fire.  I've always avoided using geotextile membrane as I'd read it creates a barrier for worms.  Just shows not to believe all you read in books!
    I also found a lot of worms when I pulled up the membrane in my back garden to dig my new bed. Very surprised but I guess they’re the underground experts and nature often always finds a way. 
  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    I would wash off the slate as Ergates says, but I'd still top off the slate with a few fresh bags after you have relaid it. The thicker the layer the better really.
    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
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