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Gap between retaining wall and the fence, raised bed?

I've recently had part of my garden dug out and levelled to make a large patio.  The builders have left the fences in situ, which follow the original lie of the land, sloping up 1:14 away from the house.  The fence at the back is level, albeit 80cm higher than the fence near the house, the fence at the side slopes down.  At my request, the retaining wall is 80cm high all the way around, and in order not to disturb the fence or it's footings (they're all brand new and a shared responsibility with my neighbours) the wall is about 30cm away from them.  This means at one side, the sloping side, I have a gap between the wall and the fence, which starts around 10cm deep and gets progressively deeper to be about 70cm deep at the end of the wall.  I would like to back fill this with some soil in order to pop in a few plants, but obviously the original fence goes behind this.  My initial idea was to line the fence (which is sturdy and we've double faced so it's a kind of hit and miss arrangement) with the old paving slabs we've taken up, but because of the slope this would be complicated to work out where to cut them so they're nice a straight at the top and Mr M has little appetite for cutting more paving slabs. My new idea is to fasten another cross beam at the height of the soil and line the trench with thick polythene, the fence should be strong enough to retain the small amount of soil and the polythene would keep the fence from rotting, as well as helping to retain some moisture in the shallow bed.  Does anyone have any objections or better ideas to this plan? I've not done this before.  I know there' a chance the wood would rot from condensation, but it would only be our extra "faced" side, and the wood is tanalised and stained to protect it.  There should be plenty of airflow from the other side. 
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  • GravelEaterGravelEater Posts: 124
    I'd think a fence would rot if it doesn't have ventilation both sides anyway.  So, I'd not want to put something on/against the fence like a plastic sheeting.

    Can you not put concrete gravel boards against the posts, creating an enclosed planting space and allowing, maybe an inch gap behind them to the wooden fence?

    There might be some kind of non-porous shuttering that you can get.  I'm sure we used to have these 6ft long, 2ft tall and say 10mm thick plastic boards.  They were tough and didn't have problems with UV.  Took quite a bit of weight.  I remember them from time as a kid. Heck knows where they came from (someone's workplace probably),  but they were useful.

    Best of luck!
  • JennyJJennyJ Posts: 10,576
    You could just plant something into the ground, that will be tall enough to grow up above the retaining wall.
    Doncaster, South Yorkshire. Soil type: sandy, well-drained
  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    No, I think it's a bad idea. You're creating potential problems with rot and then difficulty accessing the fence to repair. It's only a 30cm gap, and less once you add your slabs or whatever, so you can't really plant anything significant in there in any case. Plant something along the top of the retaining wall that will spread and cover the gap.
    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
  • I don’t understand how a fence with plastic over is any different to the side of a wooden raised bed? The timber is the same. I can’t plant in the top of the wall, it’s topped with coping stones, and nothing would grow as there’s no soil at the moment and they would never get any light.
  • GravelEaterGravelEater Posts: 124
    Fencing, even if it's the same timbre is thinner for one thing and is likely not treated with the same stuff as sleepers and other more structural purpose wood.

    Also, your gap of 30cm isn't particular large.
    All too often people will plant small plants right next to or only a very short distance from their fence - well it looks stupid putting a little plant some 2 ft away from the fence, right?  In a few years the plant grows and is touching the fence and in a few more years it's rotting the fence, keeping moisture up against it the whole time.  Not to mention the roots possibly cropping up under the neighbours lawn/borders.

    Perhaps a picture or two might help folks give better solutions.

    What about window boxes or some kind of thin container?  You may be able to put a hollow support structure underneath them to raise them to the height of the wall.  Treated timbre batons and paint them with "Ducks Back" for extra waterproofing.  The supports/frame would rot eventually, sitting in the dark, underneath containers, but would probably outlive fence panels.
  • JennyJJennyJ Posts: 10,576
    Windowbox or trough-type containers to stand in the gap sounds like the best solution (make sure there are drainage holes). They could be plastic to reduce weight so you could plant them up and then lower into place behind the wall. You could use bricks or something similar to raise them to the right height if you wanted. It would limit you to plants that don't need much root space, maybe spring bulbs followed by summer bedding, but it sounds as if the width of the space itself would be a constraint anyway. Keeping it to spring/summer planting would also mean that you don't have plants against the fence during the winter when the weather is more likely to be wet.
    Doncaster, South Yorkshire. Soil type: sandy, well-drained
  • nick615nick615 Posts: 1,487
    Any gap between raised beds and a wooden fence is potential trouble through rotting, and the smaller the gap, the worse it is.  Dust and fallen leaves etc. will accumulate, become wet, and settle into a sludge.  The smaller the gap, the more difficult it is to clean out.
  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    I don’t understand how a fence with plastic over is any different to the side of a wooden raised bed? The timber is the same. I can’t plant in the top of the wall, it’s topped with coping stones, and nothing would grow as there’s no soil at the moment and they would never get any light.
    This is what I was thinking, based on your description.



    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
  • Thanks for everyone’s replies and the picture, I will try and add a photo to assist. I had thought about putting planters/window boxes down the gap. I will see if I can find something the right dimensions. I just have concern than in order for them to be level I would still have to build up with something, and a lot of the planters I’ve seen are just wood. 
    The fence itself isn’t panels like the sort that fit into concrete posts. It’s a picket type fence, 100x10mm pieces set 15mm apart, fixed to 50x100 horizontal struts on each side. 

  • You can just about see here what i mean. It’s the fence / wall on the right
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