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Raspberry long canes

Hey guys! 
First time planting these, I’ve got 6 in the ground and four of them look to be taking well and I’m seeing shoots of green from the buds,
two of them however haven’t shown this yet, they look exactly the same as when I planted them a week ago, they’re still brown and don’t appear to be showing any signs of emerging further.
Do you think I should leave them a while longer? Or is it likely that they’ve died or just not taking to the soil? Ideally I don’t really want to be buying more, I’m just not sure why they haven’t sprouted the same as the others, they’re in a bed of top soil and compost, I’ve forked in pot ash and used mycorrhizal funghi on the roots.. any ideas? I’ve attached two pictures for reference, one that has consistently sprouted, and one that hasn’t,

thanks in advance! 


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  • JennyJJennyJ Posts: 10,576
    A week isn't very long. Give them a bit more time. They might be concentrating on putting down roots.
    Doncaster, South Yorkshire. Soil type: sandy, well-drained
  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    I agree more time needed.
    I planted quite a few some years ago. Some of the canes didn't shoot for over a year!
    Then they started coming up everywhere - so they were concentrating on producing a strong root system before coming out of the ground as Jenny says above.
    Do you know if they are Summer or Autumn raspberries?
    The method of pruning is different

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • It’s raspberry tadmoor, i think they’re late summer fruiting? 
    I followed the advice on the website I bought them from and it basically just said stick them in and they should fruit this year.. personally I thought it was still a bit too cold to be planting things atm, but I suppose they’ve already lived through a frost anyway with them being long canes? 
  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    According to this site -
    https://www.shootgardening.co.uk/plant/rubus-idaeus-tadmor#:~:text=Cut%20all%20canes%20to%20ground,if%20the%20shrub%20is%20overcrowded.
    They're an autumn fruiting variety, so all canes should be cut to the ground before early spring leaving no stubs.
    The plants should send up new canes and produce fruit on them this year.
    I grow Joan J (autumn fruiting also). I cut last year's stems to the ground a couple of weeks ago and I can just see the new shoots appearing above ground now.
    If you leave the canes, you will get raspberries earlier, but they're often quite small fruits and will reduce the autumn harvest.
    It's a good idea to give them a dressing of blood, fish and bone and a mulch about now to get them off to a good start

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • celcius_kkwcelcius_kkw Posts: 753
    While we are on the subject of pruning of autumn fruiting variety - I’ve got ‘All Gold’ and the nursery’s instruction is to cut down to 30cm from the ground which I’ve done.. should I cut it down even further? 
  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    I don't know All Gold, but according to the RHS site, they're a primocane variety which means that they should be pruned in winter and the new canes that grow n spring will carry fruit later in the year.
    https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/226554/Rubus-idaeus-All-Gold-(F)/Details

    Most summer raspberries are not primocane varieties, and they fruit on the previous year's growth, so are only pruned after fruiting. But All Gold is a primocane variety, so should be cut right down. But - that is only what I've read.

    I don't have any primocane soft fruits, so I have no experience of them.
    Maybe someone with experience can shed some light for you

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • LiriodendronLiriodendron Posts: 8,328
    All Gold is an autumn fruiting raspberry, and is indeed a primocane variety needing hard pruning in winter. 
     
    I think the Shoot Gardening entry on Tadmor is very confusing.  It says (correctly) that it's a floricane variety, ie it grows canes one year and produces fruit on them in the second year.  However, Shoot also describes Tadmor as an autumn fruiter.  Therein lies the confusion, @Pete.8 and @anthemzduo 627 - other sites reveal that it's a very late summer fruiting sort.  The OP's instructions received with his canes are correct; these are specially produced to fruit late this summer on long canes which grew last year.  (I believe this technique was developed for commercial growers so they wouldn't have to wait so long for a return on their investment...) So don't cut them back until after they've finished fruiting, by which time they should have produced new, unfruited canes which will fruit in 2022.  Hopefully...

    Yes, give them time.  All being well they'll produce new growth when the weather warms up - though if they don't, the four healthy ones will probably fill the gaps with suckers very soon.
    Since 2019 I've lived in east Clare, in the west of Ireland.
  • BigladBiglad Posts: 3,265
    I planted 5 bareroot Polka in December. They'd taken over 3 weeks from leaving the nursery to arrival (due to DHL :( ) and just looked like dead twigs that should go in the garden waste bin.

    3 months on and 3 of them look exactly the same whilst the other two have a couple of tiny, green shoots.

    I'm not particularly hopeful for mine but I'll still be giving them plenty of chance yet ;)
    East Lancs
  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    I planted bare root Glen Moy years ago. I assumed they were dead, but on starting to dig them up I found a very strong root system.
    It took 16 months before I saw growth above ground then they grew really well

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • BobTheGardenerBobTheGardener Posts: 11,385
    I only cut my Polka back to the ground a couple of weeks ago and there's no sign of new shoots yet, so I wouldn't worry at this stage.
    A trowel in the hand is worth a thousand lost under a bush.
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