I see. I think you don't exactly want a hedge in the traditional sense there, do you--as in one that you would clip all over every year? More like a shrub border, so the roses could go alongside those of your existing shrubs you wanted to keep.
Anything labelled a 'shrub rose', which includes Rugosa varieties, would work well there. You could include the larger Hybrid Musk roses like 'Buff Beauty', 'Moonlight', 'Vanity', but also old roses such as the Alba group and tough Gallicas like 'Belle Sultane' or 'Tuscany Superb'. The sites I use a lot include Peter Beales, whose book on the old roses is really useful, and also Trevor White Old Roses. https://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/shrub-roses.html
You are probably looking mainly at varieties or species that are around 1-1.5m tall, unless you really want a head-high shrub. And some (species roses in particular) have really nice autumn colour or hips as well, like Rosa californica 'Plena' and Rosa glauca. For best effect it's a good idea to aim for the more disease-resistant varieties, too.
I see. I think you don't exactly want a hedge in the traditional sense there, do you--as in one that you would clip all over every year? More like a shrub border, so the roses could go alongside those of your existing shrubs you wanted to keep.
Anything labelled a 'shrub rose', which includes Rugosa varieties, would work well there. You could include the larger Hybrid Musk roses like 'Buff Beauty', 'Moonlight', 'Vanity', but also old roses such as the Alba group and tough Gallicas like 'Belle Sultane' or 'Tuscany Superb'. The sites I use a lot include Peter Beales, whose book on the old roses is really useful, and also Trevor White Old Roses. https://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/shrub-roses.html
You are probably looking mainly at varieties or species that are around 1-1.5m tall, unless you really want a head-high shrub. And some (species roses in particular) have really nice autumn colour or hips as well, like Rosa californica 'Plena' and Rosa glauca. For best effect it's a good idea to aim for the more disease-resistant varieties, too.
I would prefer head-high, simply for privacy. A formal hedge would not look right due to the other shrubs, even though I'm keen on more formal hedging. The plan is to plant native hedging elsewhere, such as to hide all those ugly sheds you can see in the photo.
I'd also prefer roses that don't need pruning, which then leaves a gap.
I'm thinking 'Roseraie de l'hay' and perhaps 'Scabrosa' as too options, as I know these two roses from my late grandmothers garden, where we also have 'Buff Beauty' - which I'm not sure would grow high enough for hedging. A few years ago I could not name a single variety of rose, but I'm learning!
I'm just unsure about how far apart they should be planted. The hedging websites say 3 to 5 per metre, but the existing roses as shown earlier in the thread are about 1 per metre and they have thickened out nicely. These were all planted by my late mother.
The 'Rosy Cushion' is a nice rose and there will be literally hundreds of flowers in summer, but I think it's a poor option for out hedging as it needs hard pruning, which leaves a gap. I read that it's considered a 'ground cover rose'. I think it's too large to move so will probably keep it for now until we build up the hedging.
So the plan is to rip out the old buddleia (I have another one nearby) and move the photentinia somewhere else, leaving room for new roses. How many do you think I should plant in this space (approx 3 to 4 metres)? Should I include the cheaper ones just for padding it out / structure?
Thanks for all the advice thus far. It's very much appreciated.
I'd be fairly confident that was 'Nevada' actually... the semi double flower, with golden stamens, orange styles, and yellow base to the petaloids all look right to me, as well as the foliage and buds..
Fruhlingsgold , as the name implies [Spring Gold] flowers much earlier..
...the reason why rugosa rubra and alba are cheap is because they are seed raised and sold own roots.... the others are grafted which means time and labour.. however, some well known nurseries sell the own root rugosas for the same price as the grafted... but they wouldn't want you to know that..
I dug out the buddleia and moved the photinia shrub to a better spot.
I ordered 2x Roseraie De L'Hay and 2x Scabrosa from Cants of Colchester (£11.95 each) and planted them this morning, 3ft apart. I've put up a temporary fence to keep out our neighbour's cats and dogs while the roses establish themselves. My back hurts now!
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Anything labelled a 'shrub rose', which includes Rugosa varieties, would work well there. You could include the larger Hybrid Musk roses like 'Buff Beauty', 'Moonlight', 'Vanity', but also old roses such as the Alba group and tough Gallicas like 'Belle Sultane' or 'Tuscany Superb'. The sites I use a lot include Peter Beales, whose book on the old roses is really useful, and also Trevor White Old Roses.
https://www.classicroses.co.uk/roses/shrub-roses.html
You are probably looking mainly at varieties or species that are around 1-1.5m tall, unless you really want a head-high shrub. And some (species roses in particular) have really nice autumn colour or hips as well, like Rosa californica 'Plena' and Rosa glauca. For best effect it's a good idea to aim for the more disease-resistant varieties, too.
I'd also prefer roses that don't need pruning, which then leaves a gap.
I'm thinking 'Roseraie de l'hay' and perhaps 'Scabrosa' as too options, as I know these two roses from my late grandmothers garden, where we also have 'Buff Beauty' - which I'm not sure would grow high enough for hedging. A few years ago I could not name a single variety of rose, but I'm learning!
I'm just unsure about how far apart they should be planted. The hedging websites say 3 to 5 per metre, but the existing roses as shown earlier in the thread are about 1 per metre and they have thickened out nicely. These were all planted by my late mother.
The 'Rosy Cushion' is a nice rose and there will be literally hundreds of flowers in summer, but I think it's a poor option for out hedging as it needs hard pruning, which leaves a gap. I read that it's considered a 'ground cover rose'. I think it's too large to move so will probably keep it for now until we build up the hedging.
So the plan is to rip out the old buddleia (I have another one nearby) and move the photentinia somewhere else, leaving room for new roses. How many do you think I should plant in this space (approx 3 to 4 metres)? Should I include the cheaper ones just for padding it out / structure?
Thanks for all the advice thus far. It's very much appreciated.
Fruhlingsgold , as the name implies [Spring Gold] flowers much earlier..
..a 'Nevada' bloom similar..
https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.226691
...get one of each... lol..
'Fruhlingsgold'... looking at this, you may be right...
https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.49388
...the reason why rugosa rubra and alba are cheap is because they are seed raised and sold own roots.... the others are grafted which means time and labour.. however, some well known nurseries sell the own root rugosas for the same price as the grafted... but they wouldn't want you to know that..
I dug out the buddleia and moved the photinia shrub to a better spot.
I ordered 2x Roseraie De L'Hay and 2x Scabrosa from Cants of Colchester (£11.95 each) and planted them this morning, 3ft apart. I've put up a temporary fence to keep out our neighbour's cats and dogs while the roses establish themselves. My back hurts now!
Hopefully they will look nice in due course.
Thanks again for the advice.