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Autumn sowing up North

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  • KlinkKlink Posts: 261
    Had a holiday in Shetland about four years ago. Struck me that not many people 'did' gardening..
  • ButtercupdaysButtercupdays Posts: 4,546
    I agree with the others that most of those will benefit from waiting till spring. The first 4 and chamomile (another guess) will grow away fast sown direct, but I would plant violas in a pot or tray and then prick them out and grow them on before planting out, as they are a bit slower and might struggle with the competition.
    What kind of Euphorbia are you planning on? Some self seed quite happily, others spread more by runners, but you probably won't need that many plants and it helps to know where they are, as the sap is an irritant to skin and eyes. It would be safer to sow a few in pots and grow them separately. Wear gloves when handling to be on the safe side.
    But, as you are itching to get started, and we all know that feeling, you could plant some parsley indoors :)
    Put some compost in a small pot, add a pinch or so of seed and then water them with very hot or boiling water, (just this first time, as it speeds up germination!) and put on a warm and sunny windowsill, or at least a light one. The seeds should show in about a week to 10 days and then you could plant a few more, so you have a succession  of leaves to use in the kitchen.
    The first pots could be grown on outside, no need to prick these out, but start them off gently, somewhere shady and cool,  not in full sun or they will frazzle. As the days get shorter and the weather (probably) cooler you will need to keep them indoors. Parsley will get through most winters if in the ground, but it dies back and starts afresh in spring.
  • ph1109ph1109 Posts: 32
    Yes I guess that is true. I guess the weather will the reason for that. I thought I would be OK with sowing inside, to avoid wind and too much rain, until summer. Never realised that seedlings need plenty of light too!
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    The biggest difficulty is wind combined with already low temps. Wind chill adds to that too @Klink. There's a saying that when the wind stops blowing in Shetland, everyone falls over.  ;)  
    You'll just have to experiment @ph1109. Some things may survive and do well enough, and some things won't. Shelter is the important thing, and not just when growing from seed, but when they're getting planted out. 
    What have got in your garden already? You'll need a good shelter belt in place for any perennials or annuals to thrive. They're also unlikely to make the same dimensions as they would elsewhere.
    Things like nigella, cornflowers and those poppies will grow in almost nothing - gravelly, quite poor soil. Scabious are pretty tough too, so they should be ok in a similar spot. Violas like a damper soil and will be fine.
    Euphorbias will be fine, but I think they'll be very slow from seed. You could probably grow parsley inside, but I'm not sure. I don't like it, so I've never grown it. 
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • ph1109ph1109 Posts: 32
    Buttercupdays, I bought Euphorbia oblongata (Eggleaf Spurge). "Really a short-lived perennial, but flowers best in its first year. Sow mid spring and/or late summer. Best sown under cover although will self seed."

    So you are suggesting to:
    - try to sow calendula, cal poppy, cornflower, love in a mist and chamomile direct in the soil, as they will be growing fast (and make a chance surviving the harsh winter?)
    - try violas in a pot inside, and grow them on, before planting them out when the weather gets better in summer?
    - try to grow euphorbia in pots - I guess that means inside?
    - grow parsley indoors on a window sill.

    Just wanting to make sure I got this right!
    I will definitely give it a chance - see what happens.
  • ph1109ph1109 Posts: 32
    @Fairygirl I have bought  a  wind speed reductionnet which I will to attach to my fence. Not sure how much it will help though, I don't expect miracles.
    Wind speeds in autumn and winter up to force 12 are not uncommon. The average windspeed over the year is force 4, I believe. The wind is bad enough, but the seasalt completely burns the plants and ruins them!
    What did well in my garden so far (we had a very mild summer) was honesty, digitalis, lychnis coronaria, drumstick primula and cornflowers. I haven't grown any annuals so far.
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    You need a good shelter belt - sea spray will definitely be a problem, as you've already found. It'll benefit everything enormously. Sacrificial shrubs - gorse/broom,general hedging plants like hawthorn etc if you can manage it, or just the mesh you can get which you can fix to posts. That will allow other, more attractive plants to do a bit better  :)

    I don't think there's much chance of anything being frazzled by sun @Buttercupdays :D
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    Euphorbia oblongata, I would sow in cells or small pots now and put them in a sheltered place e.g foot of a house wall. Some will germinate in a few weeks and some will pop up in spring but you'll have them in flower by next summer. You could sow in the ground but I always prefer being able to keep a close eye on them in pots and then being able to plant them around as needed. 
    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
  • ButtercupdaysButtercupdays Posts: 4,546
    My first line said that I agreed about waiting till Spring!
    I don't bother sowing seeds outside in autumn, though the self seeders do ok.  I don't know what percentage of their seeds usually come up though, could be quite small. Certainly this  year, very wet until January, no frosts, unseasonally warm from Feb until end of May, has led to a veritable weed explosion, with some plants, that had hardly registered as weeds before, growing in huge numbers.

    I would have agreed with @Fairygirl about the sun , but after this year, who knows?
    I may not be as far north as you, but my garden is at about 1400ft and gets/(got?) lots of wind and rain, often heavy snowfalls,  and has had winter temps of -12c for up to 2 weeks in the past.


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