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Failed attempt to start a perennial wildflower 'meadow'?

In late summer and early autumn of last year I attempted to turn over half of my garden to a perennial wild flower 'meadow'. The ground is incredibly poor and consists largely of  stones/rubble, with very, very thin sandy soil. The grass, such as it is, struggles to grow (despite numerous attempts over five years to establish something resembling a lawn). I decided to create a meadow and duly bought the sandy soil perennial wildflower and grass mix from Emorsgate, along with some Yellow Rattle. The ground was brutally scarified with a petrol scarifier (the blades were set low and cut into the soil's surface) before sowing in October. This is the technique recommended by Emorsgate and others when sowing a perennial mix with Yellow Rattle onto grass. 

Well, here we are in early summer and somewhat bizarrely the Yellow Rattle has germinated and now carpets the ground, but the perennials have done poorly. A tiny number of perennial seeds have germinated, but are still essentially at the seedling stage, while the grasses have done better. 
 
What could have happened? I understand that when establishing  perennial wildflowers from seed the first year will not produce flowers, but I have no plants, yet alone flowers! Could the excessive rains of the autumn and winter have damaged the seeds? Alternatively, I wonder if the alkalinity of the soil has hindered germination. Another possibility is that the excessive quantities of stone and rubble in the ground are attractive to ants - or is it worms? - , which leave hundreds of small mounds over the ground in winter, and I wonder if this continuous movement of soil has moved seeds too deep below the surface to germinate.
On the other hand, perhaps this is what happens and with patience it will burst into growth next year.

I'd be grateful for any comments. I suspect that what I'll do is plant plugs in the autumn  

     
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  • berginjim5berginjim5 Posts: 46
    try wildflower meadow turf
  • berginjim5berginjim5 Posts: 46
    pjwizon said:
    In late summer and early autumn of last year I attempted to turn over half of my garden to a perennial wild flower 'meadow'. The ground is incredibly poor and consists largely of  stones/rubble, with very, very thin sandy soil. The grass, such as it is, struggles to grow (despite numerous attempts over five years to establish something resembling a lawn). I decided to create a meadow and duly bought the sandy soil perennial wildflower and grass mix from Emorsgate, along with some Yellow Rattle. The ground was brutally scarified with a petrol scarifier (the blades were set low and cut into the soil's surface) before sowing in October. This is the technique recommended by Emorsgate and others when sowing a perennial mix with Yellow Rattle onto grass. 

    Well, here we are in early summer and somewhat bizarrely the Yellow Rattle has germinated and now carpets the ground, but the perennials have done poorly. A tiny number of perennial seeds have germinated, but are still essentially at the seedling stage, while the grasses have done better. 
     
    What could have happened? I understand that when establishing  perennial wildflowers from seed the first year will not produce flowers, but I have no plants, yet alone flowers! Could the excessive rains of the autumn and winter have damaged the seeds? Alternatively, I wonder if the alkalinity of the soil has hindered germination. Another possibility is that the excessive quantities of stone and rubble in the ground are attractive to ants - or is it worms? - , which leave hundreds of small mounds over the ground in winter, and I wonder if this continuous movement of soil has moved seeds too deep below the surface to germinate.
    On the other hand, perhaps this is what happens and with patience it will burst into growth next year.

    I'd be grateful for any comments. I suspect that what I'll do is plant plugs in the autumn  

         try wildflower meadow turf

  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    A wildflower meadow will take a few years to establish. It will require patience ... a lot of ... 😊 

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    Sounds like a good start, it might have been a good idea to over-sow with annuals for a bit more oomph in year 1. Plug planting is a good idea to move things along a bit quicker.

    Could you sow some fast growing annuals now as a stop-gap? 
    https://www.gardenersworld.com/plants/flower-seeds-to-sow-in-may/
    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
  • Nanny BeachNanny Beach Posts: 8,719
    I agree, is madening, you get wildflowers (some may call them weeds) where they arent wanted, over the years I tried seeds, never got a single yellow rattle, plug plants which were expensive £1 each, got scoffed by slugs.  In the end I bought wildflower meadow turf.  First lot I bought 80% 20% grass to wildflower, bad idea, grass takes over.We still remove some grass each spring, sow some of my own plants cornflowers,foxgloves from seed, to add.
  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    I just googled yellow rattle to have a look. Seeds £342 a kilo!!!
    You have a potential goldmine there😉
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • Butterfly66Butterfly66 Posts: 970
    The perennial wildflowers can take time to establish, sometimes not even germinating the first year, so I think it probably is a matter of patience. As said maybe you could add some quick wildflower annuals for a splash of extra colour this summer.
     If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need.”—Marcus Tullius Cicero
    East facing, top of a hill clay-loam, cultivated for centuries (7 years by me). Birmingham
  • pjwizonpjwizon Posts: 52
    edited May 2020
    WillDB said:
    Sounds like a good start, it might have been a good idea to over-sow with annuals for a bit more oomph in year 1. Plug planting is a good idea to move things along a bit quicker.

    Could you sow some fast growing annuals now as a stop-gap? 
    https://www.gardenersworld.com/plants/flower-seeds-to-sow-in-may/
    Thanks for all of the suggestions. I spent considerable time researching the supplier and seed mix to use and  Emorsgate are highly reputable, while their 80/20 grass/perennial flower mix for dry, sandy soils seems the best suited to the ground I have: https://wildseed.co.uk/mixtures/view/8

    The only caveat I can think of is that sandy soil is often a little acidic, whereas mine is alkaline. I realize Yellow Rattle is an annual and sowed it to act as a 'meadow maker' by restraining grass growth. 


    The idea of planting some 'wildflower' annuals to keep things ticking over is good and I'll look into that, but I think I'll plant perennial plugs in the autumn (slugs not withstanding).

    it seems patience is the key......

  • HouseFinchHouseFinch Posts: 328
    edited May 2020
    I agree with what others have said, it will take time. We have planted many different wildflower seeds into our front yard this spring, and all that is visible is barley and clover. If you really dig around in it, you can spot some sprouting poppies. Glad I planted the barley, otherwise we'd be tired of looking at bare patches. Looking forward to how it will do next year though!
  • EvecakeEvecake Posts: 19
    I've tried for a couple of years with soil (clay here) specific seeds. I follow the instructions to the letter but nothing has ever germinated. Not a sausage.
    I'm currently awaiting a delivery of plug plants, I got impatient.

    The turf looks like a great idea but I have ground bees, and I don't want to cover their little holes up! 
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