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  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    punkdoc said:
    There is a marked placebo affect of vaccines. Up to 15% of people given saline develop typical vaccine like side effects.
    So maybe our immune systems aren't so different.

    That seems so strange - but maybe will find out more about the mind and its effects.
    I used to have to take tablets for acid reflux that used to occur virtually every night at around the same time - but I hate taking 'unnecessary' (?) tablets - and found I could actually stop the pain by virtue of the mind. The only problem was, when I nodded off again, the pain came back. Probably nothing to do with my mind - and the pain was cyclic or something - but I really felt I could control it.
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  • JennyJJennyJ Posts: 10,576
    I've booked an appointment at the local pharmacy for a paid-for flu jab next week. I have a number of events coming up in November/December that will involve mixing with lots of people and I'd like to have developed the protection by then. I'd pay for it anyway, but my boss sent round an email saying they would reimburse people for the cost (many are under 50 never mind 64). They reckon it costs less than having people off sick.
    Doncaster, South Yorkshire. Soil type: sandy, well-drained
  • mac12mac12 Posts: 209
    That's rather unkind @mac12
    But true 
  • mac12mac12 Posts: 209
    Ergates said:
    mac12 said:
    So what you're saying is animal cruelty is ok when it benefits you, if that's not to faced I don't know what is. 
    Rot! Read the post again.
    I have and it still says animal cruelty is ok if she apologised before taking her medication will that help the animal 
  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    I hope you don't need to use modern drugs, eat food with any additives, use detergents, consume meat, eggs,fish, wear woollen clothes @mac12. It would be awful if you discovered that you had an extra face too😳
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • mac12mac12 Posts: 209
    pansyface said:
    So what you're saying is animal cruelty is ok when it benefits you, if that's not to faced I don't know what is. 

    Are you referring to my post?

    If so, I despair.

    I am I don't understand how apologies can help any animal 
    I'm someone who says things how I see them I'll kill animals and eat all meat but don't apologise afterwards 
  • mac12mac12 Posts: 209
    B3 said:
    I hope you don't need to use modern drugs, eat food with any additives, use detergents, consume meat, eggs,fish, wear woollen clothes @mac12. It would be awful if you discovered that you had an extra face too😳
    I use any drugs needed, eat any animal and use any chemicals I need to but I can admit that and don't feel that I have to apologise 
  • mac12mac12 Posts: 209
    pansyface said:
    Not scared, maybe, but perhaps something more complex.

    I grew up in a household where science was seen as the be all and end all. According to the other members of my family, science was the way forward for Mankind.

    My brother trained as a vet. He is 10 years older than me so his career was well underway while I was still a child. As a vet, he could deal with the pets but he was useless at dealing with the owners so he went into research. 

    Some time into his career, I asked him what exactly his research involved. This was my shocking introduction to vivisection.  Before that,I had had little understanding of what some aspects of science involved.

    There and then, I made the decision that my life would involve as little animal cruelty as possible. So I became an organic gardener for example.

    If I went shopping I looked for things that had a sticker on them saying that they had not been tested on animals.

    And then a few years ago I got a chronic illness. My doctors told me that I needed to take some pretty serious medication. I asked if there was an alternative. I was told that I could have blood removed from time to time and take aspirin instead. I reckoned that aspirin as a medicine was so old that it was likely never tested on animals. So for six years I went along with that.

    Last year, I was told that the aspirin and blood letting was no longer coping with my problem and I was told that I should take chemotherapy tablets every day in addition to the aspirin and the blood letting.

    With a heavy heart I accepted, but each morning when I take my chemotherapy tablet I apologise under my breath to the many animals that had to live short, miserable lives so that I could exist in relative comfort.

    This appears to say you don't like animal cruelty but when you need medication it's ok if you apologise first 
  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    If you see some of @mac12 views on COVID and on vaccines, you may have even more reason to ignore him.
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

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