I have two Archiduc Joseph shrub roses @Nollie. They are very vigorous and thorny, so not sure if they would suit. On the other hand they flower from spring through to late autumn and are disease resistant. They get a good hacking back in the spring and off they go again.
Great, thanks @Dovefromabove, Bonica is now a definite 👍
Now I just need to decide on it’s bed mates. Thanks @Busy-Lizzie, shame you don’t know what they are, perhaps post some pics and and ask @Marlorena for an ID?
Thanks also, @floralies, maybe a bit too salmony for me...
For the second, I would really like a deeper pink, which brings me back to Mme Isaac Pereire, which is gorgeous but not as disease/weather resistant as I would like and would need support. Is there another deep pink shrub rose that might be more heat/rain tolerant?
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
...it's all about location, so trial and error where you are @Nollie … but here are some you might consider...
...for a pink version of Julia Child I recommend 'Ivor's Rose' [Beales].. aka 'Flamenco Rosita' which is a much better name, considering where you are.. this will grow larger than stated and forms a magnificent shrub, constantly in bloom with good disease resistance as the blooms lack much scent... grows well in hot moist climates... A terrific pink shrub rose, needing some space but worth it..
...'Irene Watts'... a smaller pink shrub rose, always in bloom and does well in warm climates... ...'Elmshorn'... a hybrid musk of German origins, constant bloomer and very disease resistant... ...'Surrey' [aka Summer Wind/Sommerwind]… a smaller shrub rose always in flower and healthy... little scent.. ...'Octavia Hill' [Harkness].. in my collection and just a great little shrub rose... good resistance... ...'Bonica'.. as has been said, a truly great rose, but I had to stake mine as it will flop about in wind and rain.. .very top heavy.. consider its sport 'Royal Bonica' if you see it, it has a better growth habit.... 'Cornelia' a hybrid musk that enjoys summer rain.. always in flower, thornless, and can be used in many different ways in the garden... outstanding at its best. 'Armada'... disease free here, continuous bloom form, sets hips, and just a great workhorse... ADR winner so I would expect little disease issues for you .. will climb with support.. or freestanding..
..if you do go back to DA's I recommend Olivia Rose Austin and The Ancient Mariner as likely to do best for you... TAM is one of my favourite roses and almost disease free, and I get as much blackspot as anybody...
...other pinks I've heard good things about in warm climates are La Rose du Molinard and Princess Charlene de Monaco....
You could also check roses from the Bordure Collection (Delbard). My Bordure Camaie is absolutely healthy, spotless. The whole Bordure Collection should be similarly healthy and there are pink roses - Bordure Rose (Strawberry ice), Bordure Magenta or Bordure Vive. But they are a bit boring and on the smaller side, so maybe front/middle of border or narrow border fillers.
...coincidentally I've just been considering Bordure Abricot, I like the look of it... and I also meant to mention the rose you have edhelka 'Sandringham'... as Nollie wanted Mme Isaac Pereire and this is her daughter so I'm told... and probably better for the modern garden...
Yes, I believe Sandringham is healthier than Mme IP but it's too soon to be sure. So far, I am very happy with it but will wait with judgment (and with recommending this rose) for the next year
So far I am loving Ivor’s Rose with Elmshorn coming second for the darker pink alternative, @Marlorena.
Plus, the Tantau rose Soul, an ADR winner thats meant to be disease tolerant and fragrant, although there seems to be some issues with stem canker. Looks like it would need some support. Oh, and I came across a lovely deep pink Kordes rose that is meant to be disease resistant, called Laguna, a climber... but I said I didn’t want any more climbers as wall space is limited... hmm, maybe a rose arch or obelisk is in order.
The Delbard Bordure Magenta or Vive look interesting too, @edhelka. I did look at Sandringham but Peter Beales says it doesn’t flower in August, which makes me think it may not be so heat tolerant...
Weirdly, I have failed to grow rugosas, @WillDB - three Albas failed, I finally got Hansa to grow away better in a new location this year, but not a single bloom!
So far, I think I am going to go for the following:
Bonica - Royal version of poss, but I have the space for the normal one to sprawl Ivor’s Rose Soul or Laguna on an oblelisk... maybe!
Thanks for all your input. I will try and restrain myself, but suspect a few more of your suggestions might accidentally slip into my basket
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
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Now I just need to decide on it’s bed mates. Thanks @Busy-Lizzie, shame you don’t know what they are, perhaps post some pics and and ask @Marlorena for an ID?
Thanks also, @floralies, maybe a bit too salmony for me...
For the second, I would really like a deeper pink, which brings me back to Mme Isaac Pereire, which is gorgeous but not as disease/weather resistant as I would like and would need support. Is there another deep pink shrub rose that might be more heat/rain tolerant?
...for a pink version of Julia Child I recommend 'Ivor's Rose' [Beales].. aka 'Flamenco Rosita' which is a much better name, considering where you are.. this will grow larger than stated and forms a magnificent shrub, constantly in bloom with good disease resistance as the blooms lack much scent... grows well in hot moist climates...
A terrific pink shrub rose, needing some space but worth it..
...'Irene Watts'... a smaller pink shrub rose, always in bloom and does well in warm climates...
...'Elmshorn'... a hybrid musk of German origins, constant bloomer and very disease resistant...
...'Surrey' [aka Summer Wind/Sommerwind]… a smaller shrub rose always in flower and healthy... little scent..
...'Octavia Hill' [Harkness].. in my collection and just a great little shrub rose... good resistance...
...'Bonica'.. as has been said, a truly great rose, but I had to stake mine as it will flop about in wind and rain.. .very top heavy.. consider its sport 'Royal Bonica' if you see it, it has a better growth habit....
'Cornelia' a hybrid musk that enjoys summer rain.. always in flower, thornless, and can be used in many different ways in the garden... outstanding at its best.
'Armada'... disease free here, continuous bloom form, sets hips, and just a great workhorse... ADR winner so I would expect little disease issues for you .. will climb with support.. or freestanding..
..if you do go back to DA's I recommend Olivia Rose Austin and The Ancient Mariner as likely to do best for you... TAM is one of my favourite roses and almost disease free, and I get as much blackspot as anybody...
...other pinks I've heard good things about in warm climates are La Rose du Molinard and Princess Charlene de Monaco....
best of luck with your choices...
Plus, the Tantau rose Soul, an ADR winner thats meant to be disease tolerant and fragrant, although there seems to be some issues with stem canker. Looks like it would need some support. Oh, and I came across a lovely deep pink Kordes rose that is meant to be disease resistant, called Laguna, a climber... but I said I didn’t want any more climbers as wall space is limited... hmm, maybe a rose arch or obelisk is in order.
The Delbard Bordure Magenta or Vive look interesting too, @edhelka. I did look at Sandringham but Peter Beales says it doesn’t flower in August, which makes me think it may not be so heat tolerant...
Weirdly, I have failed to grow rugosas, @WillDB - three Albas failed, I finally got Hansa to grow away better in a new location this year, but not a single bloom!
So far, I think I am going to go for the following:
Bonica - Royal version of poss, but I have the space for the normal one to sprawl
Ivor’s Rose
Soul or Laguna on an oblelisk... maybe!
Thanks for all your input. I will try and restrain myself, but suspect a few more of your suggestions might accidentally slip into my basket