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Successful Succession

Hi
We've been at our beautiful but scruffy two acre plot in North West Staffordshire for five years now and enjoyed many successes but equally lots of failures - rabbits, pidgeons, chickens, ducks, pigs and various dogs contributing to losses! Gradually learning the ropes and taking the stance that every day's a school day! Planning for next year - stream, pond, summer house and lots of planting but how do you plan for succession? I've taken lots of photos of things that have done well, where there's gaps and things that need dividing this Autumn to double the plants and fill them but how do you plan for spring into early summer? I can't get my head around spring bulb planting and then perennials, what to do first? Sage advice please?

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  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    You need to work within your local conditions - temperatures, night frosts, rainfall etc - and work out a sequence of events and jobs.   Spring bulbs have to be planted in autumn starting with narcissus which can be planted as early as August and then the very small bulbs which dry out if left sitting about too long and working thru hycinths, alliums etc and finally tulips in November/December so they are less likely to get the virus that spoils them.   

    Shrubs, trees a,d many perennials are best planted in autumn when the soil is still warm and there's enough moistur eto help them get their roots settled so the plant is well anchored and feeding itself in time for the spring burst of energy.

    There's a chap in Yorkshire who has produced a very helpful and throrough almanac of what to do and when.  Have a look and see if it can guide you but remember to adjust timings if your neck of the woods is a week or two ahead of his local conditions.

    http://www.thegardenersalmanac.co.uk/index.htm 
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • AnniDAnniD Posts: 12,585
    When it comes to bulb planting, l do it by looking out of the window/standing in the garden, and l can picture in my mind how l want it to look. It sounds difficult and it does get a bit easier as you practice it, but it's all part of the fun.
    You have a much bigger area to deal with than l do, but l would suggest that the first thing to do is plant bulbs such as daffodils, narcissi  and crocus where you can see them through the windows. They can really cheer you up on a cold day in early Spring.  Secondly,  l would think of the areas that you are more likely to access at that time of year. It's not worth planting bulbs if no one's going to see them, but you could have tulips in other areas as they can flower much later, April into May.
    If you want to plant perennials for colour for Spring, things such as pulmonaria will give you colour,  but as Obelixx says, you need to take your local planting conditions into account.
    If you have areas you are really struggling to envisage, post a couple of photos and l'm sure there will be lots of suggestions  :)
  • Thanks Obelixx, will take a look. Planted spring bulbs Sunday in established borders, it was easy to dob them in between existing perennials - it's the blank canvas I will have that's the problem - planting bulbs then accidentally digging them up or slicing in two! Suppose I'll have to wait until Autumn 2020 to plant them!
  • Joyce21Joyce21 Posts: 15,489
    You could plant bulbs in pots then sink the pots into the ground.  Easy to move them later when planting perennials or if you change your mind about where to site them for the following year.
    SW Scotland
  • Thanks Anni, will sort out some pics and post tomorrow. Just checked out a few pics from a couple of years ago, it's amazing how the garden has changed and how many plants have disappeared! How do Nuseries grow such bushy specimens? I've got 6 healthy coneflowers grown from plugs in a plastic trough ready to go in the ground this Autumn. They have only produced one (albeit beautiful) flower each; the 9 quid one I bought from the Nursery had 10+ blooms - do they plant several together in a large pot?
    Joyce - that's a great idea, thanks
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Good idea from Joyce about planting bulbs in pots so you can plunge them in once you know where your perennials are going to go.  The other way to avoid spearing or splicing them is to mark their spot with a cane or two or a circle of sand to show where they are.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    Definitely the easiest way is to plant spring bulbs in with, and  at the same time as, perennials which will follow them, but it's not always that simple. 
    Marking them with a branch or canes etc, as already said, helps, but I'd agree with @AnniD that taking photos, and looking at the borders at different times of year, is really helpful in seeing where the gaps are. You can then pinpoint areas needing some extra colour. Don't be frightened to 'repeat plant' too, with bulbs and perennials, which provides unity.
    Definitely use plenty of bulbs and some early perennials for areas you can regularly see from the house. Evergreen groundcover too. Bulbs will happily grow through it. 

    Your coneflowers will still be developing below ground, whereas the nursery one will be more mature  :)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • Hi

    It's amazing how your garden changes over the years, a bit like your face I suppose!:( 
    Plan for next spring is to change the 24ft x 12ft greenhouse into a summerhouse (cedar - I'm lucky my OH was a cabinet maker back in the day!).  I lost a favourite dog, Tula and plan to move our chicken pen to a more sensible plot; not bang in the middle - those of you that have chickens/ducks know that whilst the fowl are engaging, their home is not pretty!
    Plan is to have a summer house - garden is south/west facing so we can sit in the spring and out of the wind.  We'd like a stream/pond (we have power and water in the existing GH) and I'd love to have a deck that hangs over the water and also another seating area (arbour with bench so that Tula's ashes can be put to rest there).  The chicken pen is on a gentle slope and approx. 5m wide by 8m long.  It sits next to a partly renovated partierre ( boxed hedged 5 x 4 m x 2).  When the fencing comes down, between the two I'm trying to imagine how they will link, I'll post a dodgy sketch tomorrow but have attached a few pics of what we have done over the years and what a load of work to do!



  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    edited September 2019
    It's not easy. Apart from Alliums I find bulbs in borders quite tricky. I guess it's best to plant them where you have a 'permanent' ground cover for them to come up through, which doesn't get dug up and changed on a regular basis... such a thing doesn't exist in my garden!
    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
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