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Diea anyone know what these are please


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East facing, top of a hill clay-loam, cultivated for centuries (7 years by me). Birmingham
East facing, top of a hill clay-loam, cultivated for centuries (7 years by me). Birmingham
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I think the second is Golden Rod ... Solidago canadensis.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
I did think golden rod when the second first started growing but it’s quite different to the clump I have. They have flowers just at the top this has flowers stems all the the way down which made me wonder.
East facing, top of a hill clay-loam, cultivated for centuries (7 years by me). Birmingham
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
East facing, top of a hill clay-loam, cultivated for centuries (7 years by me). Birmingham