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Could one of you knowledgeable people tell me what these two plants are? 
i like them and I'd like to move them at some point as they're right next to my children's den.


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The trouble with Cotoneaster is there are many cultivars.
They can self seed and cross pollinate.
Some take several years to flower and fruit.
Although they can do quite well in shade, some do seem to flower and fruit better with some sun.
We have a similar one with the leaf spacing and shape, but it looks stiffer than yours.
Unfortunately I have no idea which it is.
You may get an answer of you can say if it is evergreen or deciduous, or semi.
And an idea of the leaf size, in centimeters or inches.