Yes but the moon causes tides in the sea and changes in river levels, particularly at certain times. It's reasonably certain that it causes changes in ground water levels too. This is what makes sowing and planting & harvesting at certain times more favourable. I am sure biofreak can give more detail.
Go research the Inverse Square Law and then come back to me. Macro events such as the oceans bulging (it takes 10's of thousands of feet of water to produce a 3ft average rise) do not occur in small structures such as whole plants or their individual cells. Also remember that while the moon is pulling on one side - the sun is doing similar on the other - due to the Inverse Square Law the effects of the much more massive star is reduced to be virtually equal. Fortuitously!
@SporophyteBoy gardening with the moon is not about astronomy!
It's about lunar influence on water on earth, be it tides or water tables or plant cells.
That's quite an alarming statement Obelixx! Unless you live in some sort of parallel universe (I'm pretty sure they don't exist!) we are ALL surrounded by Astronomy and if you specifically bring the Moon into conversation - it's inescapable.
You have cited the work of Dr Hartmut Spiess in support of Bio Dynamics - have you actually read any of it? Link here :- 229 speiss (anthroposophy.eu) The entire raison d'etre of his treatise is to link the astrophysical with his observations of plants. He also makes many references to astrology - which was based on the astronomy of the ancients. There's a whole faculty of Bio Dynamics in University of Darmstadt - Herr Dr Spiess' alma mater - all of whom seem dead keen on stargazing of all types.
I think you should maintain your cool and give a cheery wave to the ISS as the work going on up there is some of the best proper evidence yet for lunar influence(s) of some kind. There's some more little weeds going up on a Chinese rocket this week.
Hello all , back to gardening , went to allotment yesterday , pleased to say the sprout plants I put in have survived the frosts but they where covered by fleece & environment mesh Unfortunately the frost got the tips of the asparagus , with hind sight should have covered with fleece , however , it’s never happened before Now got 2 beds ready for broccoli 🥦 & cabbage 🥬 plants that are getting pot bound
At home have took rest of pots out of greenhouse The ground is so dry but rain forecast next week , never thought I would be pleased to see rain ! Going to cut back lawn & side hawthorn edge today
Wildlife camera has picked up 3 different Hedgehogs 🦔 , such a delight to see them
You are missing the point @SporophyteBoy. I did not say astronomy was not an interesting science, just that it has nothing to do with the phases of lunar gardening.
Shame about your asparagus @GWRS. Ours have been affected by the drought so we have very few spears so far but they've been tasty. My second batch of tomatoes and chillies have caught up with the first batch and both are growing slowly. It's taken 19 days for the first of the nasturtiums to pop and I'm still waiting for the other flower seeds sown that day.
It's a long, slow, cold, dry spring but we do have good flowers on the broad beans and there are fruits forming on the black and redcurrants I moved to the new bed with a soaker hose and the pomegranate has gorgeous red leaves starting to show. I'm assuming they'll green up as they mature.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
@Obelixx , it’s not all doom and gloom the Broad Beans and autumn sewed spring onions are doing well The rhubarb is also doing well but we have had to cut lots of flowers off it The fruit trees have held there blossom too
In the garden the spring bulbs are lasting a long time , in fact I’m rather pleased with the garden , just to blooming cold to sit in it
I know. We've had a few warm moments where we've sat out with our afternoon coffee but I spent a couple of hours this morning pressure washing our terrace in anticipation of being able to set out the table and chairs but despite jeans and a polo neck top I was cold in that easterly wind.
Some of the new leaves on more exposed shrubs have been frozen so it's a waiting game to see if they manage to make new ones. No frost damage in the veggie garden tho.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
The Mrs and I have been delighted lately by the regular nighttime visits by our resident hedgehogs (much to the bemusement of our cat and her itinerant boyfriend) then the sadness of burying one yesterday after finding it run over out in the road - despite us being in a cul de sac for the last three months due to roadworks. I'm dead envious of anyone with asparagus up already - I keep regretting not planting mind under glass or poly - absolutely no sign as of today. A frost or very near one for every day in April with a vicious north, east or north east wind blowing at a good rate too. Being made from stern stuff, I have braved a sit with me fish in the evenings as they needed counselling after being plagued by a heron despite the pond being completely netted
You are missing the point @SporophyteBoy. I did not say astronomy was not an interesting science, just that it has nothing to do with the phases of lunar gardening.
So your idea of lunar gardening has nothing to do with the actual movements of the moon then? I must indeed have missed something because virtually all your almanac posts include minute perfect average ascent and decent nodes. What are they if not astronomy?
@SporophyteBoy, I am well aware the mass of the sun has a huge influence. I like to keep an open mind about all aspects of gardening & growing, unlike you who seem to suggest you already know everything & the rest of us are talking rubbish. If you read my comment properly I was talking about ground water level, not water in individual cells. Perhaps this thread is not for you.
Sorry for silence .. just spent week in hospital having scans etc and can now tell all of you who have been so wonderful supporting me through the past year that the Lymphoma has disappeared and the Car T Cell treatment worked!!!! I'm in the clear and don't have to have a check up for a year. Such a relief. I rather like being genetically modified!!!
SporophyteBoy you have caused quite a stir!! My source is the MABD in France and I translated from the French re planets etc. Assuming that your French is up to speed the website for all info is www.bio-dynamie.org. Allotment Boy you are 100% correct.
I have plenty to add to last few comments on the Thread but only just got back from CHU Lille this morning. Bit tired but very very happy. Will give Lunar Weather Calender for May and Gardening Calender tomorrow.
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Macro events such as the oceans bulging (it takes 10's of thousands of feet of water to produce a 3ft average rise) do not occur in small structures such as whole plants or their individual cells.
Also remember that while the moon is pulling on one side - the sun is doing similar on the other - due to the Inverse Square Law the effects of the much more massive star is reduced to be virtually equal. Fortuitously!
It's about lunar influence on water on earth, be it tides or water tables or plant cells.
That's quite an alarming statement Obelixx! Unless you live in some sort of parallel universe (I'm pretty sure they don't exist!) we are ALL surrounded by Astronomy and if you specifically bring the Moon into conversation - it's inescapable.
You have cited the work of Dr Hartmut Spiess in support of Bio Dynamics - have you actually read any of it? Link here :- 229 speiss (anthroposophy.eu) The entire raison d'etre of his treatise is to link the astrophysical with his observations of plants. He also makes many references to astrology - which was based on the astronomy of the ancients.
There's a whole faculty of Bio Dynamics in University of Darmstadt - Herr Dr Spiess' alma mater - all of whom seem dead keen on stargazing of all types.
I think you should maintain your cool and give a cheery wave to the ISS as the work going on up there is some of the best proper evidence yet for lunar influence(s) of some kind. There's some more little weeds going up on a Chinese rocket this week.
Unfortunately the frost got the tips of the asparagus , with hind sight should have covered with fleece , however , it’s never happened before
Now got 2 beds ready for broccoli 🥦 & cabbage 🥬 plants that are getting pot bound
At home have took rest of pots out of greenhouse
The ground is so dry but rain forecast next week , never thought I would be pleased to see rain !
Going to cut back lawn & side hawthorn edge today
Wildlife camera has picked up 3 different Hedgehogs 🦔 , such a delight to see them
Happy gardening everybody
Shame about your asparagus @GWRS. Ours have been affected by the drought so we have very few spears so far but they've been tasty. My second batch of tomatoes and chillies have caught up with the first batch and both are growing slowly. It's taken 19 days for the first of the nasturtiums to pop and I'm still waiting for the other flower seeds sown that day.
It's a long, slow, cold, dry spring but we do have good flowers on the broad beans and there are fruits forming on the black and redcurrants I moved to the new bed with a soaker hose and the pomegranate has gorgeous red leaves starting to show. I'm assuming they'll green up as they mature.
The rhubarb is also doing well but we have had to cut lots of flowers off it
The fruit trees have held there blossom too
In the garden the spring bulbs are lasting a long time , in fact I’m rather pleased with the garden , just to blooming cold to sit in it
Some of the new leaves on more exposed shrubs have been frozen so it's a waiting game to see if they manage to make new ones. No frost damage in the veggie garden tho.
I'm dead envious of anyone with asparagus up already - I keep regretting not planting mind under glass or poly - absolutely no sign as of today. A frost or very near one for every day in April with a vicious north, east or north east wind blowing at a good rate too.
Being made from stern stuff, I have braved a sit with me fish in the evenings as they needed counselling after being plagued by a heron despite the pond being completely netted
So your idea of lunar gardening has nothing to do with the actual movements of the moon then? I must indeed have missed something because virtually all your almanac posts include minute perfect average ascent and decent nodes. What are they if not astronomy?