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Leaf Curl on Roses newly sprayed with insecticide

Finding aphids on opening buds of established Rose bushes I duly sprayed with RoseClear.
Checking them out 2 days later there didn't appear to be any change so applied a fresh misting of RoseClear.
Today (3 days after spraying) am dismayed to find Rose leaves in vicinity of buds which were sprayed are curling.  Also that under-planted plants have yellow marks on foliage and generally looking rather forlorn.
What's gone wrong?
James East Molesey,  Surrey.
 
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  • debs64debs64 Posts: 5,184
    If you can just leave the aphids alone they will attract ladybirds and other predators or if you want to remove them a jet from the hose or rubbing them off with fingers, in or out of gloves, will work. It’s difficult I know but it pays off in the end. Up to you of course but I wouldn’t spray poison around in my garden. I don’t know if it has affected the foliage maybe someone more experienced in use of insecticide can help. 
  • Mr. Vine EyeMr. Vine Eye Posts: 2,394
    Please don't spray insecticides in your garden.

    Our wildlife is having a hard enough time as it is at the moment without gardeners actively spraying poison around.

    Sorry state we'll be in if the current decline in pollinators continues.

    They don't do long term harm and will be picked up by predators eventually.

    Pick em off, or leave them alone!
    East Yorkshire
  • I agree with the overall consensus, chemicals are far too easily at hand especially when it comes to simple aesthetic issues like aphids and greenfly...sure they look unsightly but they do very little harm to the plants. Soapy water sprayed on seems to do the trick and crushing them manually. The allure to eradicate the problem instantly is there...but it's probably the wrong answer in the long run. Please don't read this as a personal attack, more like a request to slow down, enjoy your plants and watch the aphids get gradually decimated.
    To Plant a Garden is to Believe in Tomorrow
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    Hi james - debs is right. A jet of water from a hose, or a quick onceover from your hands will clear them. The problem with chemical sprays is that they aren;t discerning, and affect all the predators who will help get rid of the greenfly for you.
    If you can encourage lots of birds into the garden, that will really help - especially at this time of year when they have youngsters to feed. Blue tits are particularly fond. A little seed feeder hung in and around your plants is very useful. All the little birds I have here sit on the nearby apple tree before going to the feeders. I never have greenfly on the blossom for long  ;)

    Roses can be a bit prone to them at this time of year, as are lots of perennials when the new soft growth appears - it's a banquet for greenfly, and they can multiply very rapidly. If you can swipe them off , the balance will quickly restore, and then your roses will be healthier and happier.
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • pr1mr0sepr1mr0se Posts: 1,193
    You sprayed a couple of times within a couple of days - thus you gave your poor roses a double dose of chemicals.  

    If you really feel you have to use a spray, I would beg you to do so sparingly, read the labels carefully (I think they recommend minimum two-week gaps between spraying). 

    The old-fashioned squishing or hose jets usually seem to keep the problem under control, though.
  • SlumSlum Posts: 385
    The leaf curl could be caused by the aphids as their damage will disfigure buds and leaves. The yellow marks could be honeydew excreted from the aphids. Are the marks sticky?

    Two sprayings of rose clear in two days is much more than the manufacturer recommends. Potentially this could have caused problems. 
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    As with any product you really do need to read the label, follow the instructions and give it time to work.

    However, the best advice is to ditch the chemicals and use good husbandry to control pests.  Aphids have all sorts of predators from ladybirds and lacewings and their larvae to small birds like tits and sparrows.  Poison the aphids and you poison them too.

    Be kind to your garden and it's plants.   Look after the soil, feed and water the plants if hungry and thirsty and nature will balance the rest.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • Dear Readers.
    I feel right royally told off but I do appreciate the fact that so many of you have taken time out to respond.  Thank You.
    In actual fact I rarely use pesticides but with these particular plants although around 10 years old they are only now starting to bush up and annually their small and brief show of flowers are besieged with bugs so I hoped to turn the tide this time around before the buds open.  The soap liquid technique has been tried in years gone by but with nil result.  We are blessed with birdlife too but they must be on long-term diets.
    Anyway, once again thanks to all.
  • edhelkaedhelka Posts: 2,351
    Hi James, don't feel discouraged, it's just that people here on forum care greatly about wildlife and pollinating insect (naturally, we as gardeners need them).
    The fact is that roses are strong plants and aphids don't harm them too much. Yes, they suck some energy out of them (literally) but it's not significant.
    If your roses don't do well, the problem is probably somewhere else (soil, position, care etc.). If you want, you can post to our rose thread or make your own thread and we can help. There are many experienced rose growers here.
    And the leaf curl is a common response of many plants to aphids, I wouldn't worry about it.
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Do you feed and much and prune your roses properly?  They are very hungry and thirsty plants so do make sure they are fed and watered appropriately.

    Maybe post some photos, tell us about your soil and aspect and general location as all of these will affect how well your roses grow.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
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