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Root pruning / repotting severely pot bound Acer Bloodgood

Last year I got a 6-7’ Japanese maple bloodgood which came in great condition but in a very small pot - I literally had to cut the plastic pot to get the plant out .... it was never coming out otherwise!

Attempts to loosen the rootball by hand were futile, it was like a rock. The roots obviously hit the side and started going back in on themselves multiple times.

Anyway I put it into a far bigger pot for the remainder of the season (without disturbing the roots) and it did ok - but was still a big lump of rock root sitting in compost.  

Today, I took it out and some feeder roots had emerged about 3-4 inches in length but the immovable solid block of circling roots was still there - and I decided to "pot down" to a size where it wouldn't be sitting in potentially wet compost too long.

I didn't think sawing through it would be good as there were feeder roots inside the mass, instead I used a hose to try to loosen the rootball, coupled with a few goes at it with a claw.  I ended up doing this for nearly 2 hours, pruning out one or two woody sections and generally pruning back the straggly stuff to produce something which was loosened up sufficiently to re-pot. 

I went for a pot which was a little bigger than the original, but not too much bigger.  I realised I had potted up too much and wanted to eliminate that problem.  Picture below.



... the previous temporary "overpotted" pot earlier in the season:


The new pot is shorter but probably a tiny bit wider ... the previous pot was good for ratios visually but didn't allow much room for any root run out to the sides.

I don't have a picture of the one it arrived in but it was somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3rd the size of the black one above!

Has anybody else done anything similar, with any results good or bad?

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  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    I think you're over thinking this.   It produced new roots after being re-potted so is clearly keen to grow and survive.   I don't understand why you felt it neededhacking about, stripping and re-potting again.

    The active parts of roots are the micro hairs which take up the water and nutrients and all this activity may well have dried them out or blasted them off which means it has to start again.   Leave well alone apart form making sure it's fed and watered when thirty and hungry.     

    Thereafter, re-pot to a slightly bigger pot every couple of years until it gets to a maximum pot size for you and then keep it going with judicious feeding and watering and just refresh the top couple of inches/5cm of compost in spring.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • I re-potted again because the other pot was too big and I read a lot of stuff about the dangers of "over potting" + the fact that the roots weren't free.  It seemed like it was constaining things.  It did produce new roots, yes ... but they were stragglers protruding from a clump / mass.  And compared to my other Acers the buds just didn't look good, there was barely any soil in that root clump - and it felt dry as a bone.

    I don't think I have dried them as the whole process was based around water and it was watered again when placed in the new pot.
  • it would have been fine if you'd left it in the pot, it was starting to work its way out into the compost so you could have left it.
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Exactly.  It was recovering and the roots were doing what they're supposed to do - spreading out to anchor the plant and seek food and water.   Just make sure the compost doesn't dry out but isn't water-logged either and give it an occasional liquid feed and annual dollop of slow release fertiliser every spring.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • hogweedhogweed Posts: 4,053
    You've done well trying to give it the best start. From now on it's up to the plant to get going. As others have said, keep it sheltered and well watered if it's a dry summer. Good luck.
    'Optimism is the faith that leads to achievement' - Helen Keller
  • it would have been fine if you'd left it in the pot, it was starting to work its way out into the compost so you could have left it.
    It was looking better root-wise than I expected but it had only been in that pot for 4 months or so ... when I got it the pot was tiny and I put it into a pot which was 4 times (or more) bigger and most of that extra size was in height (it was very tall).  I'd filled it top-to-bottom with compost - and in time, the roots may have rotted so I had to correct that ...

    It basically went from being massively under-potted to somewhat over-potted.  

    It is in an east facing spot so gets full sun until midday and then shade in the afternoon, which it seemed to like last year.   It's near the house but the wind is hard to escape at my house, but it's not as exposed as some parts.

    Last year I used maxi crop seaweed extract in the watering every fortnight and all the acers seemed to like that so I'm planning to use the same.  Other than that I'll water normally at a maximum frequency of once-per-week ... maybe less if it has rained a lot, although the canopy and proximity to the house mean the rainwater doesn't always count for a huge amount unless it's a real long, steady rainfall.


  • madpenguinmadpenguin Posts: 2,543
    I think it should be OK.
    We do this a lot with our bonsai acers etc!
    “Every day is ordinary, until it isn't.” - Bernard Cornwell-Death of Kings
  • Hi, thanks for this. Can you poss update, did it survive well and thrive? I have 5 acers all dying with black branches and dying leaves. Someone told me to get rid of the old soil, and repot but I need to use the same containers which are pretty large anyway so I've just pruned a 3rd off and washed off the old soil too.
  • Hi, thanks for this. Can you poss update, did it survive well and thrive? I have 5 acers all dying with black branches and dying leaves. Someone told me to get rid of the old soil, and repot but I need to use the same containers which are pretty large anyway so I've just pruned a 3rd off and washed off the old soil too.
    Sad to say it was stolen from my driveway just under a year ago (last August).

    But I’ve successfully rescued quite a few others from poor condition and for containers there are a list of key things, if you meet all of these you’re almost guaranteed success:

    - free draining potting medium, ideally 50% composted fine pine bark, 40% normal compost and the rest perlite or pine bark mini mulch.  Wash bad soil off if necessary.  Oxygen to the roots is the most important thing.

    - pot on the smaller side but not pot bound or girdling root,  you want no less than 50% root mass in the pot, so soil to root ratio should by in favour of root 

    - proper drainage essential, so extra holes in the bottom of the pot - layers of gravel with one hole actually causes more sogginess at the bottom than 5 holes and no gravel

    - raise the pot up on thick pot feet to ensure drainage and oxygen flow,  I can’t repeat enough, oxygen exchange is key

    - regular, even watering - e.g. 1 litre a day or every 2 days, whatever the weather ... right from the start of the growing season,  the free draining mix and compact pot size will ensure you don’t over water and the regularity will keep oxygen exchange up for the root zone

    - don’t keep moving it, the position it leafs out is the place it will be best acclimatised to 
  • Hi, thanks for this. Can you poss update, did it survive well and thrive? I have 5 acers all dying with black branches and dying leaves. Someone told me to get rid of the old soil, and repot but I need to use the same containers which are pretty large anyway so I've just pruned a 3rd off and washed off the old soil too.
    I should also mention - and it pains me to say it - that i had put on a load of new root growth and was really coming back to full form, but with a fixed root system.

    Still pains me that somebody just half-inched it from the driveway  :'(
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