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Hellebore ID

Guernsey Donkey2Guernsey Donkey2 Posts: 6,713
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I have lost the label, can anyone name this Hellebore for me please?  It was a plug plant offer from G.W. about 18 months ago. I think there were 10 in the pack and they may have been from Hayloft.
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  • Silver surferSilver surfer Posts: 4,719
    edited February 2019
    Helleborus x hybridus.
    They come in many different colours.

    https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enGB785GB785&biw=1920&bih=937&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=Z_diXPXOCuCY1fAPg4SbqAY&q=Helleborus+x+hybridus+single&oq=Helleborus+x+hybridus+single&gs_l=img.12...3787.6135..7869...0.0..0.105.603.5j2......1....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i30j0i24.MntB8ptJJx0
    Perthshire. SCOTLAND .
  • AnniDAnniD Posts: 12,585
    Colour looks different,  but maybe
    https://hayloft.co.uk/product/helleborus-single-pink-blotch/yp91y18-in18?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlZnchtS24AIVkuR3Ch0DYgD8EAsYAiABEgJVyvD_BwE
  • Silver surferSilver surfer Posts: 4,719
    At one time nurseries were naming every slightly different colour with a name.
    The only way to keep that plant true is by division.
    There were hundreds of almost identical flowers with different names.
    Most plants are now propagated by seed which brings a range of similar but not identical plants...depending on the colours used to cross pollinate.
    Now they are lumped together under the name Helleborus x hybridus.

    Single with pink blotch is a description rather than an accurate botanically recognised name
    Perthshire. SCOTLAND .
  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    GD, why don't you email the photo (really beautiful by the way) to Hayloft and ask them if they can identify it?
    North East Somerset - Clay soil over limestone
  • nutcutletnutcutlet Posts: 27,445
    If it was a plug plant it's most likely a seedling with no name, see Silver Surfer's comment


    In the sticks near Peterborough
  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    As others have said there are thousands of varieties of Helleborus hybridus.
    They do not have proper names.
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • Guernsey Donkey2Guernsey Donkey2 Posts: 6,713
    Another picture of the same plant - this flower has more light on it.  Thank you for all your leads and yes, it could be a non named plant, but they all were named.  I will send a picture to Hayloft - will let you know if I hear back from them, thanks.
  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    Most of them will be named, but they are really just made up names, based on what the flowers look like. seed grown Hellebores produce many different offspring, often with only subtle differences.
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • RubytooRubytoo Posts: 1,630
    edited February 2019
    Years ago I went to a couple of Hellebore days at a nursery that specialized a bit in these lovely plants.
    Even some of theirs were simply labelled  (for example)  Helleborus hybridus "Smokey blue".
    I think some of them were plain dark smokey purple/blue coloured and others spotted inside.
    They may well have had some named cultivars, but lots were good plants but not enough to be named individually.
    So they had a (name of the nursery) strain but not an individual name.

    Sorry I know it is not your plant Guernsey Donkey, but I have just found a label in my box (for example) that is Helleborus niger "Blackthorn Group".
    Description says.  A new hybrid raised at Blackthorn Nursery. Long erect stems carry white flowers often suffused with pink.
     
    I happen to remember I bought two of those, one was white as white can be, the other was suffused with pink.

    So unless you know there was more of a name i just wondered if it could be like Elizabeth Strangman hybrid who also bred a lot of hellebores.
    There are other famous people or nursery names,  is that what you mean perhaps?

    Sorry if I have confused the issue, I never seem to be able to convey what I mean in just a line or two.
    And edit.  Forgot to say, yours is a pretty one.

    Ashwoods hybrids
    Hazles have a national collection with how to identify the different types.
  • Silver surferSilver surfer Posts: 4,719
    edited February 2019
    Rubytoo.....Helleborus niger "Blackthorn Group".is very different.
    and has completely different leaves and flowers from Helleborus  x hybridus.


    Helleborus x hybridus ..or     hybrid Lenten rose, is to my knowledge the only one with flowers that come in such a varied range of colours. Each seed grown plant being very slightly different from its sister plant.

    There are many other sp of Helleborus ...some with fine divided leaves...others with green flowers etc...these if bred come true from seed.
    H. x hybridus does not come true from seed.

    Surely the name doesn't really matter.
    It is a very pretty pink with red markings.
    Enjoy it.
    Let it seed and see what colour the off spring are.
    Perthshire. SCOTLAND .
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