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Green gas supply. What do we think?

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  • PalaisglidePalaisglide Posts: 3,414
    Nanny Beach, as we saw on TV last night, "Impossible Engineering" they look small from the ground but you could hold a dance in the machine room at the top. The sails move at 15 turns per minute and that goes through a massive gear box to bring it up to 15,000 revs per minute then on to a huge generator. All moving parts all leave a huge foot print in production and all can go wrong, as they do.
    As we were taught in High School "every action has a reaction" Newtons four rules of motion. I saw that on a farm in Upper Teesdale where the people I knew had to move, the Land owner next to them put four Windmills up and the constant whup whup of the blades moving through the air day and night drove them mad, frightened the animals, reduced the milk yield.
    We are now told the way to green house gas reduction is every house in the land being converted to Hydrogen. They could use the same pipes and the cost to the consumer would be small, now where have I heard that before. Meanwhile China stands accused of financing coal fired generators in other countries including Bulgaria while giving a nod to Global Warming in their own country.
    I have lived too long Nanny, seen it all before and know full well it never gets better and always hits us in the pocket. I am much more worried that our Grandchildren cannot afford to buy houses as we could.
    Frank.
  • wild edgeswild edges Posts: 10,497
    Meanwhile China stands accused of financing coal fired generators in other countries including Bulgaria while giving a nod to Global Warming in their own country.
    You've got to hand it to China. If you have massive amounts of coal and aren't allowed to burn it what do you do? Become the world's largest fossil fuel drug dealer getting every country you can hooked on coal for decades. Evil genius of that level hasn't been seen like that since the good old days of the British Empire.
    If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
  • Nanny BeachNanny Beach Posts: 8,719
    palaisglide, the old type windmills we have here, arent of course in use, there are 3 of the metal monsters a few fields away, they are indeed massive.  I dont worry frank, about our kids buying houses because, when I married my first husband nearly 49 years ago, we lived in a couple of rented rooms, we didnt have a fridge, never mind a washing machine, I had a mangle.  The young these days, want the fancy holidays, car, latest mobile phone, night out.  We bought a caravan which was our home for 5 years, that was the deposit for our first house, no days out or any of the above in our life.  Then we bought a couple more, all small 2 bed cottages, then a 2 bed maisonette, we already had a boy and girl, then I had another boy, older kids shared a room bunk beds, then we divided the room.  At this point the mortgage rate was 12%, 18 months later it was 16%, this was 1983, I had 4 jobs on the go just to keep a room over our head, my main job I was earning £9 a week when we had the mortgage on the caravan, it was all relevent.
  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    The housing will be a problem, my step son has just moved into 2 rented rooms, nothing special, they call it a basement flat, costs him £750. per month, how are they expected to save for a deposit.
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • PalaisglidePalaisglide Posts: 3,414
    Nanny and Lyn, bank of Mum dad Granddad and Aunts got my Grandchildren on the step up. Rented flats then a shared house with furniture bought for them work done by the family and car repairs taken care of. No fancy holidays but weekends in Dad's caravan towed to the Lakes or Northumberland coast. Not all of the young ones are the same.
    I was the same as you Nanny living in rented accommodation as married quarters were slums at that time most built in the late 1800's, a poss tub and dolly, old hand turned ringer and one time the Old Tin Bath on the wall. We managed moved on and up because my wife was a super manager.
    Now total comfort in my old age, a solid family who help each other and I help where needed. 
    My moan is not about the young but about those people spouting their crede as if it was the Holy Book, some Vegans smashed into a Steak House upsetting diners by playing recordings and screaming their beliefs this week end. I do not deny them the right to do it but but ramming it down my throat is asking for trouble, in any case I was brought up in a farming community were that was normal living. We fed ourselves off the land we had not imports from around the world adding to global warming plus the reputed slave labour.
    America has turned its back on the discussion on Global Warming, China and Russia play lip service to it and then cheat. Any kind of Engineered power has a foot print, with wind it is an unseen one, all people see is the flapping sails with no idea of what goes into them. The fishermen who once made a living at Redcar Saltburn and Hartlepool get less by the day they say those machines frighten the fish away.
    All I know is the more green power we get the more it costs and we are the only ones doing it.
    Frank.
  • I'm sure the government will still tax motoring one way or another when we've all gone electric, @wild edges.  After all, they'll still need the income... though you're right, a tax on home-generated electricity used to power your own car would hardly seem fair.  Some boffin will be scratching his head as we write, thinking of ways to screw money out of us.   :/

    And China is not the only fossil fuel drug dealer.  Lovely, admirable, green Norway has huge reserves of natural gas, and exports them all, relying on clean hydro power for most of its needs...
    Since 2019 I've lived in east Clare, in the west of Ireland.
  • PalaisglidePalaisglide Posts: 3,414
    North East News tonight. Three of the large oil companies have got together and will build a huge new GAS Electricity Generating site on the now redundant BSI site at Redcar. The CO2 will be sent by pipeline to caves under the North Sea.
    We have two wood burning sites and one under construction, A sewage use production site, One waste material burning producing site and one under construction. As all the burning material is brown how come it is called GREEN Electricity and what do we do with all that electricity, I know send it to China then they could send all their coal abroad.
    Yes Norway exports oils some to us along with gas which proves to me "If there is a market" they will sell it and blow the rest of the world. It looks from where I am sitting that Trump will never consider reductions for global warming, he will probably claim the tiny UK does enough for everyone and we will pay. The G2 summit more like the Up you summit to me.
    Frank.
  • What a thorny issue.  How about all new builds having to have the highest possible  energy ratings. Triple glazing, solar roof panels etc. Less call for heating energy. Retrofitting  current housing stock is more tricky but simple things can improve the energy efficiency.  Tackle the problem  from a different  perspective.  BUT we will still need energy in some form and they all have consequences  to consider.
  • wild edgeswild edges Posts: 10,497
    For what it's worth my house is 10 years old and only needs very minimal heat input. Sadly any call to improve energy rating in new housing is shot down by the big developers because they can't make any profit on the houses if they have to build to anything more than the absolute minimum quality apparently. It also doesn't help that stupid rules like mandatory sprinkler systems are brought in that divert money away from green technology in houses. The £4k that the average sprinkler system costs could cover your roof in solar panels these days.

    In other news my wind power only supplier is increasing my electricity unit rate again. Apparently wind is getting more expensive? They sent me an email saying:

    "Whilst we can appreciate your frustrations, these changes have been unavoidable and introduced in a bid to keep your prices as low as possible."

    So they're putting my prices up to keep the prices as low as possible? Makes sense :|


    If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
  • PalaisglidePalaisglide Posts: 3,414
    Wild Edges, I sympathise, The turbine farm off Redcar Beach seems to spend more time off line than on, I forgot to mention that in my rant at the number and diversity of generating plants we already have plus one mega plant to be built.
    Todays news is the consortium has gone up from three to 16, we are a large chemical plant area as well as generating of course so the new plant is hoping to  remove the carbon from all those plants as well, "oh" and charge them. All the various Politicians locally are claiming it was them that got the plant, no, it was the economics of the situation nothing else. I wonder what the Government offered them.
    Nearest guess in Tax and Rate relief plus grants on a postcard, first prize a lemon.
    My house built and we moved in 38 years ago, same boiler which BG tried to get me to change, you will get a free boiler and it will only cost £4,000 to install said the glib sales person. I told him you are talking to an engineer I can change that boiler for £1500, sling your hook or words to that effect.
    Maintenance came to do the service this week, nothing wrong with that and we can still get the parts?
    We the public get taken to the cleaners if you take the experts (so called) at their word.
    As an aside all the dieticians who told me that just about everything I put in my mouth was killing me apart from fancy smoothy thingees? what are they?
    I stick to my bacon and egg with the odd fried bread mushrooms and tomato's in season. I am still here where are they?
    Frank.
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