purplerallim The EU is on the edge of bankruptcy they openly admit they can not survive without our money. What we pay into the EU is the equivalent of 5 small country. When the EU goes down the pan do we want to be going down with them. I know WTO would be hard for a few years but far better that than our country going into bankruptcy. The Yellowhammer document was a worst case scenario not a certainty. They are moving our big business and banks over to the EU in the end we won't have anything over here and our people will be without jobs, why because they have taken everything.
'....They are moving our big business and banks over to the EU in the end we
won't have anything over here and our people will be without jobs, why
because they have taken everything....'
So the EU is 'they'? Are you implying the EU is doing that? Is it not the companies deciding that they need access to EU markets which we (the UK) won't have if we leave with no deal?
The problem with the net is the 'bubble'. In the old days the 'bubble' was the paper you read. They were (are) biased - but you knew (hopefully) that. Nowadays, the net tries to be intelligent, so presents you with 'stuff' biased towards what you look at. So you get caught in the 'bubble' - your ideas are reinforced as all you get is the stuff they think you'd like. You still got (hopefully) some unbiased (or other biased) feed via friends, family, BBC, radio etc. But now all things tend to go via the algorithms on the net and bias feeds bias.
steveTu TM deal was and is a very bad deal for our country she signed everything over to the EU and they wrote the withdrawal agreement as is widely know if you read it up. Regarding the Prorogation of parliament as we are in the middle of the conference season it means the actual time is only 6 days so there is your 4 to 6 days to writ the queens speech. Lets look a Prorogation and who else in recent history has used it and for what reason. John Major to stop or hide the Cash for Questions but did anyone question the three week he used it No was there a court case No.
I agree with you we are unable to fix all the world's ills but neither should one group of politician dictate to the rest of the world or hold a country into something that they don't want. We never voted to join the EU it was done without us being told, we were to we we're joining the EEU which is different from the EU.
The EU have admitted the want to take on Russia which means war do we really want another war which will once again see our young sent to fight and many not coming home didn't we have enough of that in WW11. I lost 9 of my family in that war 10 if you count my grandfather who came home with wound so bad he die and I watched him in pain slowly die. I don't want that for our young.
If you don't believe me regarding the EU army and Russia I suggest you look it up.
The internet is like food. A varied diet is the most healthy option, always check the ingredients, restrict the junk you eat and don't eat anything you find lying around in the gutter.
If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
Danae dan-Ah-ee I have a cold so I'll blame that on Brexit not everything is down to Brexit although the minority would like to think so. This airline has been in trouble for a long time and they didn't move with the time's plus they were paying out huge bonuses when they were in trouble. Had they not paid themself such huge bonuses and put the money back into the business they would not have been in such a bad state. Younger companies have come along looked at the market and seen a better way of doing things. Last year and this year we have had some really hot weather and those looking for last minute deal have most likely thought why bother the weather is as good here as abroad and have saved their money.
What miserable news for Thomas Cook staff and holiday makers. The causes seem to be numerous, including, of course, the problem of Brexit.
I was once stranded in the USA for just one day and I know how stressful it can be.
My cleaner was "repatriated" from Spain yesterday. She tells me it's been horrid...
I can totally believe it.
However, some are making money out of this disaster. The people making these unfathomable personal riches out of the collapse of Thomas Cook are the same people who are forcing us towards No Deal, for the same reason.
Ordinary people are to be trashed, their jobs lost, their NHS stolen, their rights quashed, their freedoms stripped, ALL to make the very rich -- the likes of Rees-Mogg, Murdoch, Dacre, Banks and Farage, who bankrolled Brexit -- rich beyond their wildest dreams and to not pay tax on their billions.
I've long since realized THIS is what Brexit is and *always has been* about.
By and for the far "right". By and for the tax-avoiding billionaires. By and for the few.
The EU decided to put an end to tax avoidance, so the funders of Brexit concocted "reasons" why the EU is bad for ordinary Britons.
The populace believed their lies and we are where we are.
Hopefully, there's still time for those who simply believed the lies of the brextremists (of course, there are other types of quitters who had other, totally different "reasons" and thus remain totally uninterested in THE FACTS) that if you are not a hedge-fund billionaire, then Brexit ain't for you.
Odd - as my impression is that the only (main) issue with the TM deal was the back stop. What part of the deal specifically were you against?
But once Boris actually says what deal he has, then we can all do a simple comparison can't we and decide which one is better.
Look - when we were just families - we had elders. Villages ditto. Towns had councils, cities... as each level is reached the issues become more complex and hence the government has to increase. In this country we have Parliament, County Councils and local councils and even parish councils. We did vote to join the EC in 74 (I voted) or whenever it was - and since then, different UK governments (of different colours) have negotiated within Europe (hence why we still have the £) to champion our (UK) interests - as have other national governments for their own interests.
People say that the EU representative are unelecetd - this is all rubbish. Much the same as I may vote for my MP and those MP's elect a leader (or the party members vote) - so all offices with the EU are voted on. We vote in our EU MPs and they vote for... It's just bigger. We won't be able to change Europe from the outside - but we can influence it from the inside. The rules the EU has for trade and product definition will not change when we leave - so if we want to continue to trade with Europe, we will still have to agree with their definitions even after we leave. Stupidly, this Brexit thing isn't even at the point of working on the trade agreement - so even if we leave with no deal, there will still be ongoing negotiations with the EU over trade. It doesn't stop on the 31st no matter what BJ says. AND in that time while we then negotiate, instead of haveing beneficial trade rates, we will be working at WTO rates.
And if anyone really thinks that the answer is US trade deals - think on two things - one - if we leave the EU with no deal, then DT knows that and do you honestly think we'll get a good deal from him when we're in a weakened state and two - exactly how many deals has DT done since he's been in office? Any? He's backed out of deals and started trade wars - but what deals completed? DT is a bully.
As for the EU and Russia - again - what sources are you quoting? What official EU documents? Google is a very dangerous tool.
As for the 2nd and 1st world wars - that's the point surely? Look at history - I don't think there's been a century in Europe where we haven't been at war with each other (0-400 Rome, 500+ Angles, Saxons,800+vikings, 1000+...ad infinitum). The EU has brought most of the main protagonists under one umbrella. They now sit round a table and talk and trade. Bring Russia, Turkey... in. The more the merrier. Trade rather than fight. The world is toooooo small nowadays not to have a world government, let alone a European one.
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I agree with you we are unable to fix all the world's ills but neither should one group of politician dictate to the rest of the world or hold a country into something that they don't want. We never voted to join the EU it was done without us being told, we were to we we're joining the EEU which is different from the EU.
The EU have admitted the want to take on Russia which means war do we really want another war which will once again see our young sent to fight and many not coming home didn't we have enough of that in WW11. I lost 9 of my family in that war 10 if you count my grandfather who came home with wound so bad he die and I watched him in pain slowly die. I don't want that for our young.
If you don't believe me regarding the EU army and Russia I suggest you look it up.
However, some are making money out of this disaster. The people making these unfathomable personal riches out of the collapse of Thomas Cook are the same people who are forcing us towards No Deal, for the same reason.
Ordinary people are to be trashed, their jobs lost, their NHS stolen, their rights quashed, their freedoms stripped, ALL to make the very rich -- the likes of Rees-Mogg, Murdoch, Dacre, Banks and Farage, who bankrolled Brexit -- rich beyond their wildest dreams and to not pay tax on their billions.
I've long since realized THIS is what Brexit is and *always has been* about.
By and for the far "right".
By and for the tax-avoiding billionaires.
By and for the few.
The EU decided to put an end to tax avoidance, so the funders of Brexit concocted "reasons" why the EU is bad for ordinary Britons.
The populace believed their lies and we are where we are.
Hopefully, there's still time for those who simply believed the lies of the brextremists (of course, there are other types of quitters who had other, totally different "reasons" and thus remain totally uninterested in THE FACTS) that if you are not a hedge-fund billionaire, then Brexit ain't for you.
Yes.
Its clear now what Farage et al mean by "take back control": they mean they want control ....