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How to prune 'repeat flowering' Rambler rose

Mr. Vine EyeMr. Vine Eye Posts: 2,394
Hi!

I've got a couple of David Austin roses on the way soon; one of which is one of their English Rose Ramblers - Malvern Hills.

I've been preparing things for them, tensioning wires on my fence and screwing vine eyes onto my extension wall.

I've also been reading and watching videos about training and pruning Ramblers and Climbers.

However I haven't been able to find any guides for 'Repeat Flowering' ramblers.


My understanding is that with climbing roses:


  • You prune during growing season by deadheading (to encourage reflowering) and removing weak or damaged growth. Leave flowers at the end of the season if they produce hips.
  • You do more major pruning in winter - reducing flowering side shoots by 2/3 and if need be removing old main stems at the base and replacing them with newer growth.
  • Tie main stems in to supports horizontally to 45 degrees to encourage lateral growth

With most ramblers:
  • No deadheading as they only flower once and produce hips.
  • Major pruning in summer after flowering - take out old stems and replace with new vigorous ones to stop it becoming a tangled mess. Reduce length of side shoots.

So do you treat repeat flowering ramblers more like a climber than a rambler: Deadheading during the growing season and pruning in winter?

East Yorkshire
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  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    If you've ordered direct from DA you should get a leaflet with info on how to plant them and maybe how to prune them.

    I have two small ones in pots, waiting for a permanent spot.  I dead head them regularly and trim off any bits that get damaged or die back.  I want them to get as big as they can so in spring any pruning will be just to remove dead or damaged stems.  As they get older, I will simply prune them to fit their supports and maybe remove one old stem each year or two to encourage new growth and re-invigorate them.

    As you want your plants to perform, it's important to keep them well fed and mulched and water them in dry spells.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
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  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    edited October 2018
    I've always left repeat flowering ramblers more or less alone to do their thing ... just taking out  an old stem or two at the base every two or three years to rejuvenate the plant, tying in new stems and shortening side shoots, all at this time of year... preparing them for winter so long branches don't bash about in the winter winds.  I don't deadhead them rigorously, unless they are swamped with wet and dying clusters in a damp summer when I remove them cos they can look brown and manky  ... they still repeat flower for me.  

    As Obelixx says, feed, water and mulch ... they can be greedy plants, especially if they're going to do well for you.

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    You don't have to prune ramblers, but most do to keep them under control.
    I've got a repeat rambler - Moonlight. I prune as for a rambler when it's finished flowering. It's still got plenty of blooms atm, so I'll probably prune sometime in winter.

    Below is a pic of my pergola 2 years ago with 2 x Félicité et Perpétue and 1 x Frances E Lester. Never pruned in 20 years - but now sadly all gone due to landscaping works I had done behind. I'm replanting with DA ramblers (The Garland) soon as they arrive.


    Billericay - Essex

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  • I deadhead until September and  it's still flowering  now but I leave the last lot of flowers to give me colourful  rose hips through the winter.
  • Fran IOMFran IOM Posts: 2,872
    @Pete8 Have just enlarged your photo on screen and your garden is beautiful. Gives me hope for the future of my allotment one day.... :)
  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    Thanks Fran 
    It just goes to show that doing nothing can achieve good results  :D

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • Fran IOMFran IOM Posts: 2,872
    Wish I could say the same! Would be weeds and more weeds  :/
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    As to the original question, I think you're jumping the gun a little bit, it will be  2 or 3 years down the road before you need worry about pruning.. until then you will be training it to go the way you want and later on it will be how to contain it... in my garden it was not a rapid starter...

    I think it's always best to get advice that is pertinent to the rose in question, rather than adhering to very general advice.. you need to see how it grows for you, in your conditions too..

    What I can tell you is that, for me if started to flower exactly June 1st, through to mid July...that is its main full flush - you then have a window of opportunity for a couple of weeks or so,  to prune it back if containment is necessary, as shortly it will then produce long rambling canes which at the very tips will have flower buds... you don't want to prune those off... as it will start to re-bloom during August...  however, some people find that at that time, they feel they have more growth than flowers...  it reblooms, yes, but don't expect another whole mass like the June explosion...

    Further pruning to contain it can be done during winter.... 

    Some other information you might like to know, or ignore if you're not interested, but this is a Noisette hybrid, which may mean nothing to you.. one of its parents I am told is 'Claire Jacquier' a similar coloured Noisette rose, which has a Tea rose in its background... I mention this because Tea roses were brought over here in the 19thC, and some of them were not totally hardy in our climate... this tendency has come out in 'Malvern Hills' a little in that, during the very severe winter 2012-2013, I think it was Jan 2013, I had temps around here of about -15C... and part of my rose got burnt off in the centre... I lost quite a portion of the rose that was most exposed..[I have no shelter here]…

    However, it quickly grew back in Spring and you wouldn't have known, and in your case as it's to be grown on a wall, I doubt you'll ever get this issue...  just saying, for your information...   [..and you will never get any of this from David Austins]...
    East Anglia, England
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    As I mentioned 'Claire Jacquier' I found a photo I took from another garden, of this rose climbing a tree, and I can see the similarity in both foliage and flower to 'Malvern Hills'.. however I think its offspring is the better rose, by some way...


    East Anglia, England
  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    Thank you Diana
    They are foxgloves that have self seeded and grown by themselves. I just pull them out where I don't want them and the rest get on with it.
    Last year I decided I re-vamped that border and decided I wanted white foxgloves only, so I grew some from seed- 

    I still let the self-seeded foxgloves to do their own thing in the rest of my garden

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
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