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Replace Garden Hedge

Hello,

We have an existing Conifer hedge that's out of control. For example, it's growing over the footpath and causing the meter high Garden wall to crack.  The hedge is planted up close to the wall.  While we dislike the hedge we want to retain the great privacy that it gives us. 

The hedge is in our front garden so we would have to go through planning to add in a 2-meter high fence.

My thinking is to cut the front off the hedge back and start to plant in front of it.  Obviously, we will have to go through a pain point before we can finally cut out the conifers altogether.  The hedge is 30 Meters long and the new hedge plants would be West and South West facing.  

Having done some research it seems to me that Common (Also known as) Cherry Laurel would be a good bet.

I am concerned about the following:
  • The condition of the ground in front of the existing hedge and how to improve it.
  • The ability to plant and get past the roots (could I get away with disrupting/cutting the existing hedge roots).
Any advice or opinions gratefully received.

Justin
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  • AnniDAnniD Posts: 12,585
    Welcome to the forum @info445 ! I must be honest and say that sounds like a bt of a faff to me. Could you put up with having the hedge removed in one go and putting up with the lack of privacy for a short while ? It depends on your budget, but personally l would get the hedge removed and the ground cleared. The roots can be a pain to remove ! Then replant with the largest shrubs you can afford. The most important thing is preparation, if you are spending money on shrubs you need to give them the best chance. Depending on where you are, you still have time to get this done in the next few weeks.  :)
  • Thanks AnniD,

    I know what you mean, it sounds like a faff to me as well. 

    I think my wife would kill me if I were to remove and not replace with something quite large and therefore expensive.  There are security considerations and we would be rather overlooked.

    I think if we were to look at the more established plants we would probably have to investigate our fence options.  Then once the fence is in place add in smaller plants and let them grow.  The trouble is as it's the front garden it's not clear what will be acceptable with the planners.   I know that way back planning for a fence here was refused but I think they might now reconsider as times have changed and others have added in fencing.   

    Do you have any thoughts about, improving the ground condition and whether I can disturb the roots of the existing hedge and by how much?
  • treehugger80treehugger80 Posts: 1,923
    just remember that laurel hedges can be quite difficult to keep narrow as they do tend to flop. might be best to think about another species like beech, lonicera or even privet
  • AnniDAnniD Posts: 12,585
    Do you know what type of conifers they are? If they are thuja,as opposed to leylandii, in theory they will take a bit of cutting back. Can you extend the bed at the front of the conifers out to accomodate new planting ? And finally, any chance of a photo so we can get more of an idea, l can sort of picture it, but a photo would help  :)  
  • dappledshadedappledshade Posts: 1,017
    Agree with above posters- sounds like faff!
    Also worth considering that conifers can make soil more acid, as well as poorer, so other plants may not find it as easy to establish in the sane area.
    I would take them all out and erect a half fence/half trellis option - where the trellis is integral to the fence part below (sorry, don't know the technical name!). 
    Nobody could object to the height, as they're not too high, you have fence in the bottom half to act as a shield, but trellis above for climbers that can also give you privacy.
    Then you can intersperse some fast growing and larger shrubs, even flowering ones, or perhaps add a small tree too. 
    May be more fun than a row of identical shrubs - you can play around with leaf textures and colours more too. 
  • Thanks, everyone...

    Have attached photo.



    @treehugger80 I thought Laurel because they do well in shade and full sun, but yes Beech maybe an option.  
    I would take them all out and erect a half fence/half trellis option - where the trellis is integral to the fence part below (sorry, don't know the technical name!). 
    My research tells me that the above is not permitted. (https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/common_projects/20/fences_gates_and_garden_walls)

    Although if you have insight that tells me otherwise this might be a great option.





     
  • AnniDAnniD Posts: 12,585
    Wow, that certainly is a hedge ! It may be worth contacting your local planning office to see what they say. In the meantime, l would say that anything you try and plant will really struggle, and you don't seem to have a lot of room to extend the bed out too far. Off to have a think while l see what others (hopefully) have to say.  :) 
  • Thank's everyone for the advice,

    @AnniD Yes there is a space issue, that's why I thought about cutting back the front of the hedge (the bit you can see in the pic) and adding the new plants in until established.  That would give me a meter of ground between the border and the trunks of existing hedge plants. Perhaps I would need to get much further back for this to work.

    Perhaps this is just not advisable as its so unlikely to succeed no matter what work I put in.

    Am reluctant to go to planning (it's complicated) but if this is just a no go then I guess will have to consider this or the alternative to buying in instant hedging at a cost of circa £10k.  Sufficed to say am willing to putting a lot of effort in to avoid this massive bill.
  • AnniDAnniD Posts: 12,585
    That's fair enough @info 445 ! If you cut right back, are you happy to have bare conifer trunks ? Even if you did that, you'd have a right job trying to get through the roots, and the soil would be very poor. If you can come out nearer 2 metres (or maybe 1.5) , you could give the new plants a much better chance. Whatever you do, it's going to probably look quite scruffy for a while, but you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, as they say.
  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    Hi Info445, regarding the planning issue, have you looked around your immediate area so see if there any other gardens with a 2 m fence on top the wall? Is there a footpath the other side?  I think Dappled shade is right, the planners are probably not bothered about a fence with a trellis top on it. We were in the same position, as although we don't technically have a footpath (just a grass verge the council maintain) there is a road. We put up a 4 ft fence + 2ft trellis (approx. 2 m) and didn't put in for planning and have had no bother since (and Bath is notorious for it's tough planning laws, being a World Heritage city!). We have a winter-flowering clematis and solanum one side and a red climbing rose/wisteria the other. It could look so much better than your existing conifer hedge and would cost less.  I think you are very unlikely to be able to cut back the front of the conifers (which would look horrible) and establish anything in front because of the very poor soil conditions/heavy shade.
    North East Somerset - Clay soil over limestone
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