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ID for two small flowers, campion?

soulboysoulboy Posts: 429
edited September 2018 in Plants
I wonder if anyone can provide an ID for these small flowers. I'm sorry the 1st photo isn't great but you can see the form of the flower, leaves and stem.

As you can see, the 1st flower has 5 petals that are white with a pink tinge and pink veins.

The 2nd flower also has 5 petals but are entirely divided and completely pink with dark pink veins.

The leaf and stem arrangement is the same on both plants, single flowers on branched stems and lanceolate, opposite leaves.

I've done a search of Silene and Lychnis varieties but haven't been able to find a match for either. I've had Silene viscaria in the garden before but these are different.




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  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    Photo?
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    When you don't even know who's in the team

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  • soulboysoulboy Posts: 429
    punkdoc said:
    Photo?
    Duh! Thanks punkdoc, completely forgot in my haste. Now added.
  • soulboysoulboy Posts: 429
    Bump. Now with photo's
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    I think they're corncockles.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
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    Plato
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    I agree with @Obelixx :)   Both corncockles   https://wildseed.co.uk/species/view/4

    I know they look slightly different ... but they're wild flowers, not hybridised to a 'standard' ... there's always a bit of variation.  

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • soulboysoulboy Posts: 429
    Obelixx and Dove, thank you both for your comments. They're definitely not corncockles. I know the pic's don't help as much as they could in ID'ing these, especially with the lack of focus, and the fact that there are corncockles near the two plants.

    I'm pretty sure they are some kind of Silene because if you look carefully, and you can zoom in on the photo's, you can see that whereas the corncockles have slightly inflated calyxes, which are long and slender, the other two flowers have the bulbous/bladder-like inflated calyxes typical of campions, and are distinctly ribbed, 5 ribs I think.

    The corncockle also has the distinctive, long, star-like sepals which are not present on the other two plants Neither are they hairy.

    I've blown up another two photo's to illustrate these features better and you can also see the scale, where the corncockle flower is much larger than the two in question. All the plants came from a box of summer annual seeds.

  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Have a look at these images - https://www.google.fr/search?q=corncockles+images&rlz=1C1CHBF_enFR780FR780&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjvz-yB2djdAhWMlosKHegaCGcQsAR6BAgAEAE&biw=1581&bih=749 

    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • soulboysoulboy Posts: 429
    edited September 2018
    Thanks for the link Obelixx. I did have a look to see if there was anything different to my previous searches but there wasn't. I always try and research as much as possible before posting a question.

    I have had corncockles in my garden since I started it in 2011 and as I mentioned in my last post, to the best of my knowledge the corncockle is typified by the presence of 5 long, lanceolate sepals and is also hairy. The flowers I'm trying to ID don't have these characteristics.

    The flower is a half to a third of the size of a corncockle and, as I also mentioned, has a calyx quite unlike that of a corncockle being more campion-like.
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    I think you need @Nutcutlet then.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • soulboysoulboy Posts: 429
    edited September 2018
    Thanks Obelixx, I really appreciate your help and have just PM'ed Nut and a couple of others for their input, too.
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