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So much conflicting advice! Epimediums in this case

Forgive me if there's already a thread on this....."conflicting advice" threw up 1000 pages and Im not sure anyone could tackle that, I certainly can't. I'm guessing I'm not the only one frustrated and confused by the endless conflicting advice that's around, not only online but on TV, in books and given in person -and thats before I put something in my garden that then defies all the "rules one way or another! In this case Im looking for the most suitable epimediums, preferably evergreen (or at least semi), white and pinks, for my very alkaline soil. 
I thought they enjoyed alkaline conditions and indeed the RHS along with others state that most epimediums are found in alkaline conditions with a couple of exceptions. Other sites say neutral or acid to neutral and one or two even state acid only! I try to stick to a few tried and tested "reputable" sites when looking for info but even do I never cease to be amazed by how inconsistent advice can be. Its a minefield for inexperienced gardeners like myself and can get really costly when I buy things that then turn out to hate alkaline soil. I know there's always the exception that proves the rule etc but it would be SO helpful if there was a general consensus of opinion at least among the top dogs of the gardening world. I've even seen the same experts/sites giving differing advice on exactly the same topic. That's without the bane of plant labels never (in my experience) noting suitable soil type (won't go into mislabeled plants here but just got back from "proper' garden centre where in one brief visit I saw 3 seperate instances of totally different plants having identical labels!)
So, aside from venting, can any of you clever people suggest around 3 species of epimediums of the type I mentioned earlier, which are happy in very alkaline soil? As always your time and help are massively appreciated.

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  • nutcutletnutcutlet Posts: 27,445
    Epimedium x warleyensis cultivars, Orange Queen (sometimes Orangekonigin) is great in dry shade on my alkaline soil. E. x versicolor 'Sulphureum' ditto. 
    The confusion may be because they are not all the same. I've tried others, one called 'Lilafee' I remember, which failed to thrive.


    In the sticks near Peterborough
  • Thanks nutcutlet! Frustrating that the lilafee is one I fancied for the front garden due to colour. The sulphureum I've been considering for back under trees but it can vary from wet to quite dry there at different times. E. pubigerum is one I thought I'd get but differing advice re soil. Do you have any experience with it?
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    I have friends who delight in growing a range of epimediums in shade in a heavy, fertile, acid clay soil.  I tried them in shade in my very fertile, deep, alkaline loam garden and they all turned up their toes.

    I bought 3 to try here - neutral to acid soil but prone to drought - and the dry was too dry so I've moved the survivor to a new place with less competition and more moisture and it's doing OK but it's only been a month.  No idea of the variety sorry.  Label long gone.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • RubytooRubytoo Posts: 1,630
    edited September 2018
    Not evergreen but the youngianums are I think for alkaline soil?
    Merlin was a nice purple/lilac one I did not manage to keep many years ago,  ( just call me a plant murderer) my excuse is we have possibly slightly more acidic soil.
    It is frustrating when you get conflicting information, there are so many hybrids now too, that might do okay with you.

    I don't know if this site/blog might help they are very keen and got national collection status, so this usually makes me happy to take information from?
    http://www.themagnolias.co.uk/tag/national-collection/

  • Thanks Rubytoo! I've had a quick look at the site you linked and I'm sure it will give me necessary answers....also probably give me loads more plants to cover! "Merlin" was one of the varieties I liked too. I never thought to search for national collections (duh!) and it's something I'll bear in mind for all plant info so thanks again. 
  • Hi Obelixx, I guess what you say proves there are varieties that do love acid soil! It seems it's the dry they hate? It can get dry in the planting areas I'm thinking of, but easy places to keep damp by watering so with the advice I've received here I feel more confident that there are varieties I can give a go with some chance of success! 
  • RubytooRubytoo Posts: 1,630
    Glad to help. I think you hit the nail square, that despite them being quoted as easy for dry places, even if we can grow and find the right types for our particular conditions, they do still need a little tender loving care.
    I find my yellow one under an oak and shrubs survives but will decrease over a couple of years and not do well if I do not not given some water and feeding.
    The wetter years or times I remember to give it a little extra care with water and feed is when it does a grand job in the spring.
    Also an occasional split and re invigorating old wood underground stems helps.
  • I took the risk and bought a "lilafee" and white "pubigerum" from local garden centre. It's a family run place with limited varieties but good prices so won't break the bank if I lose them. I'll keep a close eye on them and hope for the best! Thanks to everyone for time and advice
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