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Jasmine and Clematis together?

lilysillylilysilly Posts: 511
Hi All,
Has anyone successfully grown a group 3 clematis beside/ through a jasmine trachelospermum?
I have a five foot Jasmine currently in a huge pot that l wish to plant into the corner of our south facing patio.
I have removed 3 slabs, (2 will be replaced after planting the Jasmine). I have dug a massive and deep hole.l have removed the subsoil and a great deal of clay. I've improved the soil that can be replaced with grit, compost and a big bag of new topsoil and some of my topsoil from a different area of the garden.
Do you think planting a clematis alongside the Jasmine would work? I have a few clematis l have grown on into 3L pots. Clematis Prince Charles, Dark Eyes, Margaret Hunt, Flora Plena Elegans and a clematis Mandshurica that l could plant, though l think a colour contrast would look nicer.
I would be very thankful for your thoughts on the idea and any success stories.
The French door end of the patio l have successfully grown a clematis Princess Diana with a Shropshire Lad climbing rose so I'm experienced in keeping the watering/ feeding regular.
Thanks for reading this long post.
Lily

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  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    I would be more concerned about the pruning regime.   Princess Diana is a group 3 so gets cut back hard in spring and its stems are easy to pull out from your rose with doing any damage.    Bot the rose and the clematis like lots of food and water to grow well.

    Trachelospermum gets pruned in spring but just to remove and diseased, damaged or congested stems.   It's not as woody as a rose so may suffer if you start yanking out a group 3 clem every spring.  

    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    Julia Correvon (grp 3) and a TJ


    They've been growing together for some years now.
    I cut the clematis back to 4-6" mid-Feb. It pulls away from the TJ easily.
    The TJ is well attached to wires running behind and a trellis on top, the clematis just grows though it (or mainly over it) so is easy to pull away. They both flower at the same time too.
    They're in a narrow raised bed, so need a lot of water when in full swing

    Billericay - Essex

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    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    That looks lovely.   I'm on my first trachelospermum and found it quite soft in spring but maybe it's OK if the clematis is cut down soon enough, before new shoots start on the JT.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 11,340
    edited August 2018
    Thanks Obelixx - My TJ is about 5-6yrs old now. The clematis went in about 4-5yrs ago
    The stems of the TJ do get very woody in a couple of years and some about about 1/2" thick now and they wrap around anything they get hold of and get a good grip.
    As the clematis shoots up from nowhere in the spring and grows quickly it tends to grow over the front of the TJ, so come pruning time in Feb, it's almost just a case of peeling off most of the clematis from the front of the TJ. It takes less than 5mins
    Then the TJ that's been hidden underneath the clematis gets a chance to recover for a few weeks before getting smothered in clematis again.
    They both seem very happy, and the smell can be overwhelming 

    Billericay - Essex

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • lilysillylilysilly Posts: 511
    Hi Obelixx, Thankyou for replying. That is a good point about pruning time for the clematis and the removal of old stems. I expect l would lose a few leaves from the Jasmine. The Jasmine is quite woody stemmed as I've had it a good few years and have trained it around canes in a spiral. Maybe l will think again, or just plant a couple of the clematis there and add a strong trellis like l have the other end.

    Hi Pete, thanks for replying and posting the photo of your very pretty Jasmine and clematis combination.
    It looks stunning. Yours has grown wider together than l imagined they would, so l don't know if l have enough wall space to accommodate them both due to a large window. The space is about a metre wide. Though l know because l grow it that Julia C is a very vigorous clematis and is quite heavy in full bloom. Perhaps l will research the clematis l have in pots and see if one is a shorter variety and a lot less vigorous. I'm pleased that you say you are able to separate the old clematis stems easily enough. I really need to make a decision one way or another. How much do you have to prune off your jasmine, and when do you prune yours ? I've never had to prune mine being in a pot has contained its growth.
  • lilysillylilysilly Posts: 511
    I'm sorry Obelixx and Pete l missed your second posts while dealing with our mischievous little puppy.
    After Pete has said the clematis grows mainly at the front of the JT I'm going to have a go with the combo. I just need to decide which one to choose. I've also got clematis Princess Kate, that could look pretty with its pinky/ white flowers. Which would you choose? 
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Dark Eyes or Princess Kate.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • lilysillylilysilly Posts: 511
    I've decided that I'm going to plant Princess Kate with the JT. It apparently doesn't grow too tall and won't fade out in the hot sunny weather like Dark Eyes will. Also it's the same type as clematis Princess Diana which is doing very well indeed.
    Thankyou Obelixx .
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