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Can birds read?

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  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    Yes, thanks for that info everybody - good to know.
    North East Somerset - Clay soil over limestone
  • raisingirlraisingirl Posts: 7,093
    But I am reasonably sure that both magpies and crows can read. And draw small diagrams on flip charts. How else could they co-ordinate their raids so effectively?
    Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon

    “It's still magic even if you know how it's done.” 
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    My theory is that in previous decades or century people just dropped dead from all kinds of causes that we had no idea of. Just as autism was not diagnosed as a thing, so a variety of allergies and illnesses were not defined.

    I imagine there are processes that are making us more sensitive to nuts but we in the UK did not have an exposure to anything like the amount of nuts we have now until relatively recently (macadamia, almonds, pistachio etc) as most don't grow here. 
  • raisingirlraisingirl Posts: 7,093
    edited August 2018
    Or it might be that processed baby foods have until fairly recently contained too much nut protein - I think I've read somewhere it's something that we aren't born able to process but that we develop as we get older (the opposite of milk). So if you get too much in your system before you can deal with it, it can trigger an immune response (allergy). A lot of children with quite severe nut allergies seem to grow out of it, though not all. 
    Before processed mush in a bottle became normal food for babies, you'd never have even considered giving them a nut - it's an obvious choking risk. So even in parts of the world where those nuts do grow, babies wouldn't eat them. Not until they have their molars through at the earliest.

    We may begin to see a reduction in the problem now, as it's become better recognised and food manufacturers are taking the issue of avoiding contamination far more seriously
    Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon

    “It's still magic even if you know how it's done.” 
  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    We once held up a queue of people trying to check in on Virgin flight to Mumbai. 
    What a performance!
    My daughter always carries a letter from her GP to say she has to carry an Epipen. So far so good. But no. Various people were called, ending up with a GP and a letter was produced to sign before we could check in  ( and the very long queue behind us )
    We kept saying " only if they're ingested " " ah but  what if someone on a previous flight had been eating them and they'd rubbed their hands on the seat. "Nope, only if ingested" " what if........" "nope, that'd be fine too" and so it went on, and on and on.
    Better to be safe than sorry and all that, but it was verging on paranoia.
    Devon.
  • wild edgeswild edges Posts: 10,497
    Fire said:
    My theory is that in previous decades or century people just dropped dead from all kinds of causes that we had no idea of. Just as autism was not diagnosed as a thing, so a variety of allergies and illnesses were not defined.

    I think a lot of historical people we think of as geniuses or who accomplished great things would be diagnosed with mental health problems or learning difficulties these days. We cram modern kids into a one size fits all mould and the one's that don't fit are 'problem children'.
    If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
  • RubyLeafRubyLeaf Posts: 260
    It amazes me how just a whiff can make someone go into shock.
  • @raisingirl: Isn't the current advice the other way around? Parents are supposed to give babies peanut butter from 6 months old because this makes it less likely that they will develop nut allergy. Certainly this is what my daughter has done with my grandson so hope it's correct!

    In fact, I think it is a general advice that early exposure to many things will reduce the chance of allergy. So for instance parents being too obsessed with cleanliness and hygiene will mean that children are more likely to develop asthma. I definitely never had that problem!  :)
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    edited August 2018
    I remember hearing something a good while back about peanut oil being used in baby skin preparations and the theory was that absorbing the nut oil into the skin when the child's system hadn't first come across it via the digestive system was triggering the allergy.  No idea whether it's true or not ...... 

    ETA https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/4707134/Baby-lotion-may-be-to-blame-for-nut-allergies.html

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





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